Shall share my perspective and let it unfold from here.

Imagine you dreamed a dream
In the dream you dreamed many characters.
In the characters you acted out a play.
In acting out a play you pretended the dream was real.
In pretending the dream was real you forgot the dream was a dream.
In forgetting the dream was a dream you started to think as separate characters.

How does a separate character in a play in a forgotten dream that seems like a reality .... remember me.

Am I a character here?
Are you a character here?

What if you have dreamed a dream.
What if you have dreamed some characters.
What if you have dreamed a play.
What if you have dreamed every word the characters will say in the play.
And what if you have dreamed it all as being real.

What if you are dreaming it all now.

What if you are me...writing these words
What if I am you..... reading them.

sound strange?

Hold you and me together for a moment in your heart until we and I dissolve together into a feeling...into an experience.....and a love within.

Notice how a feeling of a love within can go on forever.
this is how I and we are experienced as infinite.

From my perspective we actually reside outside all dreams, and we are dreaming many grand dreams inside us. Inside this grand dream we call it a physical dream and there can only be one of us here...... but for a long time we have played with the idea of there been several of us. We created egos and pretending to be the egos.
It was fun, but that part of the dream is now ending.

So anyone that tells you that they are awake as if to tell you that you are not awake .... either still lives as a character or characters in a forgotten dream....or is playing and having fun

Hi Kat,

You ask such great questions In our understanding there a five stages on the journey of ascension. The first step is the Awakening. I wondered if you have the 'Gateways of Light' book? It details from first hand experience these stages. You can find it here: http://www.openhandweb.org/gateways_of_light_our_journey_of_ascension
It's an excellent route map, to help us along the journey. I highly recommend it.

Below is an excerpt from the book that may help shine a little light on your question (Gateway 1 is the 'Awakening'). The awakening happens uniquely to us all. To me it is the 'willingness' to commit to unveiling our soul that makes all the difference and the commitment to letting go that makes all the difference. It sounds like you have that in abundance .....

Transitioning Gateway 1
-signs of completion-

Someone who has passed through the First Gateway will be feeling the soul and its magical presence in their lives. They will be tasting the wonder of at-one-ment with all things. The intensity of experience through the five senses will have made a dramatic leap, as though the 'volume' was suddenly increased. No longer are we viewing life through the tired mental filters of memories and ideas, rather we are feeling our magical connection with those things. For example, in seeing a horse, we can no longer simply pass it by as an ordinary day experience. Instead, we might be brought to tears by the sheer magnificence of it.

Those involved in the moving arts such as dancing, gymnastics, athletics, yoga or tai chi are no longer simply performing a repetitive practice, rather they are tuning deeply into bodily awareness allowing it to speak to them. Such depth and intensity can frequently bring one to tears. The same may be said for music, painting, writing and singing. All are now opening channels directly to the soul.

Conversely, it becomes increasingly difficult to witness the suffering of another, be they human, plant or animal and we begin to feel their suffering as our own. Whilst we may realise all experiences are designed to bring self realisation, it does not prevent deep empathy and compassion arising within. Sometimes these feelings may be lost within the daily routine of normal living but someone who has successfully made this first transition will have discovered ways of reconnecting, whether it be a few moments breathing, a favourite meditation or a walk in the countryside for example.

In summary, this reconnection to the soul may typically be experienced as follows...

- feelings or awesome okayness, sense of lightness or floatiness
- reduction in sense of want, ambition and need
- sense of expansiveness and timelessness
- feelings of interconnectedness and at-one-ment with all things
- increased intensity of experiences through the five senses
- observation or magical and/or 'miraculous' events
- initial unveiling of psychic sensitivity and intuition
- tingling sensations or pulsations in the hands
- feelings of joy and waves of love passing through the body

Awakening seems to happen gradually over time for many people. It is quite possible that is what you are experiencing. Chris and I both had instantaneous awakenings of very powerful nature. These experiences were destined, perhaps owing to the nature of work that we do and the necessity to unmistakably understand the profound nature of reality. We see far more people having gradually unfolding.
With Love
Trinity
x

Dearest Trinity,I would be most grateful if you could explain what you mean by the above. Does it signify that the egoic sense of self drops away completely without the person having been required to undertake any "spiritual work" or "warrior training?" Since 1992, I have experienced what I would describe as two profound awakenings ,but have still had to undergo all of the emotional work and deprogramming of this 3D mind construct as well as huge challenges on the physical level, all of which have made me into the person I am. So I'm still confused ....Thank you

Perhaps you might first describe these profound experiences that you have had.

A great subject and Trin has explained it so well, but I wonder if some of us may have loads of mini awakenings, little glimpses of awareness through the years, a light shining through and gradually building up so that when we hear about others powerful awakenings we could possibly feel we haven't done it 'properly'. While I have had some wonderfully powerful experiences I'd struggle to pinpoint my 'awakening' as such. I think I was born awake in many ways and have progressed from there, but I've certainly had some profound 'lightbulb' moments and have learned so much over the years and continue to do so. In fact I look forward to many more awakenings.

Hi Katerina,

Just had to respond to your post as a few days ago I felt to write "I am who I am now" in an email to someone. It was an intense feeling of liberation, like this is who I am and nothing can harm me anymore, I'm standing fully in my true self, no worries, no expectations, no needs, wants or desires, I feel who I am fully and I'm free.

For me, the sensation I was feeling then was different from waking up, (though I'M STILL AWAKE!) The beginning of waking up for me was when I noticed "Something else was going on", like realising there was a whole unseen world that I hadn't been aware of before. This intensified until I had a series of experiences that left me feeling fully "connected" with the Universe. For me this is what I feel the word Spiritual means. Its not some abstract concept to contemplate, it is only something you know by experience, and for me that experience feels like connection. I get a sense that people you encounter may be using words slightly differently from the way I use them, but they are only words, and some people feel a greater need of words and precision and analysis than others do. For me there are sometimes concepts that I find it useful to understand in an intellectual way, and there are many other times when trying to pin down a concept in words just ruins the experience for me. (And, slap my wrists for mentioning it, but there are some who talk a lot and neither themselves nor I know what they are on about!).

I have found the stages of spiritual expansion detailed in the book "Gateways of Light" (as quoted above by Trinity) are stages I can relate to when I look back on my spiritual journey (that is to say, the stages I have gone through so far).

After waking up, (Gateway 1) I later took a nerve racking choice to leave everything "i" was behind and step of a cliff into the unknown, in order to truly align with my spiritual path. This corresponds to the Realignment, or Baptism i.e. gateway 2. This led to a period of shedding so much, so rapidly that it wasn't clear who I was anymore, after all I had no idea how this new way of being worked, because up until then I WAS my conditioning. Eventually I was brought clearly to a place where many of those conditioned behaviours were shattered, followed by a Kundalini activation, a marker in Gateway 3. But it was like I was still at the tailors having my suit made, except - not really, because this wasn't an external suit I was going to put on, how can I say, it was more like the shell that constricted the real me had split open, and I was now some fluffy little chick that didn't know what species of bird it was growing into, so it's kind of been like waiting for my plumage to grow and now it feels like I'm fully fledged.

So I guess, getting back to your question, I have found waking up to the truth of who I am, a journey of many steps, with deeper levels of understanding being revealed gradually, but it feels like quite a shift at the moment for me, like this is about realising my destiny maybe.

And I was really thrilled to find the video link you put on to the song "I am what I am", it really resonated with my statement of "I am who I am now" and felt like a lovely celebratory Chorus from the universe. - so Thank You for giving me that gift!

Much love,
Lesley x

I liked very much what you shared Leslie,

Several years ago a gifted lightworker pointed this out to me.
In the bible jesus supposedly said,

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me"

and the lightworker had me look it in another way....what if he actually said.

" I AM is the way and the truth and the life. No once comes to the father except through I AM"

When he shared this I was immediately stopped in my tracks....
When I went back to the bible, something I hadn't done in years, I was stunned to see how alot of it made sense....Jesus was sharing the profound experience of IAM.
I could hear the song in my heart....everywhere a wonderful song of I AM being sung.

that was the first recognition in my mind of the love within. Hearing the song I AM within and through everyone. My mind was entralled.

It took me several years of letting go of trying to own the I AM before I could see it as a gift from the father.

Consciousness flows everywhere, but not all of the consciousness is self conscious.

Without hearing the song.... what one says or does means nothing.

Hi Kristian,

You might like to contemplate whether there is such a thing as 'self consciousness' or whether it is simply the Self being conscious.

In my story, consciousness arises from the apparent separation of Self and the Self is everywhere.

Consider a creature that may appear not to be 'self conscious'. Say a rabbit for example. What about the guiding deva that animates the creature? In my book, this deva is certainly aware of Self. Or put more accurately, the Self is experiencing consciousness through the Deva.

Consciousness cannot be self conscious. This only happens when there is mistaken identity with the consciousness itself. For example, this would happen when a soul is running a shadow identity. So the soul is not yet fully enlightened.

In other words, Self is identifying itself with the consciousness in the place of that particular soul.

Chris

Hi Chris,

From my experience, the only difference between the higher realms and the lower realms is the absence of fear. Everything else is present.

In the physical realm, self consciousness is basically ego....a false sense of self.

The ego is complex but from my understanding it is basically created from the formation of very different identities from within four different sections of the universal mind.....body (attraction), mind(intent), soul( allowance, observed only after the upward movement has started).....and a fourth section that can't be observed until the first three are seen to be interacting.

When the three parts of the universal mind are observed as interacting beneficially, Spirit or Self (harmony) manifests and brings all parts of the mind together into One. Through this process of becoming all of the concepts experienced in the lower realms... 'die' including self consciousness.

The One then slips through the 'I' into the higher realms where the song of IAM can be heard...it appears at first like a very close and personal guide. The 'God' becomes a child again, and all the concepts reappear without the fear.

In the higher realms I have tremendous appreciation for self awareness. It is the grandest gift there is. Only in the higher realms is there really 'free will'. Free will and love can't co-exist in the physical realm.

The physical realm is just a place we created to experience separation and limitation. We cannot experience these things in the higher realms as free will is part of the Oneness of All.

From my perspective Chris, none of us are really fully enlightened until all of us have at least aligned fully as Self (harmony) and moved through the 'I'.

This is what gives us the greatest joy....that we do this together.

Kristian

Hi Michelle,

We are so unique. I love your description :angel: And even after an earth shattering awakening we still have to re-integrate back into the world. The same goes for each stage in the journey and all the little light bulb moments inbetween.

Lesley,

How beautiful to find your post here! Down to earth, real life stuff. Powerful!

With Love
Trinity
x

Hi Everyone,

Thanks Katerina for sharing this It helped me, I feel the same some days. Soul_express, what you replied with was so beautiful, thats all I got to read at the moment as I'm out the door. It touched me. Thank you

Beautiful People, Seekers, Open hearts I'm glad I live in a world with all of you

Tara:)

Hi Kristian,

I have to say I find much of what you write difficult to follow.

However, I can agree with you on this...

"From my perspective Chris, none of us are really fully enlightened until all of us have at least aligned fully as Self (harmony) and moved through the 'I'

Chris

" Soul_express, what you replied with was so beautiful, thats all I got to read at the moment as I'm out the door. It touched me. Thank you "

Thanks Tara...

Chris,

ok

I can feel a pull to see it only your way...so I will step back.

Kristian

Hello everyone and hello Trinity. Just replying to your post. My first "spiritual" experience was back in around 1993. I was a practising Buddhist at the time and was engaged in a daily practice of mantra recitation (I had taken a particular powerful empowerment ..... alledgedly !!....). All I remember was one day waking up and everything felt completely different from normal. It's difficult to describe. It was as though I had been completely brought into the present moment. Everything felt absolutely fine. There were no problems or anxieties nor fears or anything of that kind eventhough nothing in my life had changed. It was so peaceful and calm and amazingly simple. Because I'm a bit of a curious bod, I thought after a number of days of living in this wonderful space, that I'd try and change it somehow, so I started drinking coffee which usually sends me a bit weird and buzzy, but nothing touched it. I'm not sure how long I was in this place, maybe, for a few weeks or so. I'll never forget it. So that was my first experience. My second was a few years ago and it was a spontaneous one. I was walking out in the hills and talking to myself, when I looked over onto the valley below, suddenly it was as if a veil had been lifted and everything just became really real. It was as if I was being shown exactly what was really there without any filters and it was simply Love. It was incredible and I've never had anything like that since.

Well that's about it really. Maybe it doesn't really matter at the end of the day what experiences I have had or not had as they were just experiences. Oh well......at least I have my Self now .....I've missed being my Self. Thank you for sharing. Kat xxx

Hello everyone,

I just want to say, I think it's really sad to see soooo many people jumping on this 2012 bandwagon and using it as I sense it, to bolster their flagging self esteem and to give them a feeling of self-importance. I honestly do wonder, how many genuine folk their are on this planet, people whose interest is soley to be themselves, to share themselves and to give whenever they can of themselves without any hidden or personal agenda. I think such people are still a rare species. I see so many conspiracy theorists and 2012 theorists out there and they seem to be growing by the numbers each and every day. People who are writing books and appearing on shows and setting up websites and so on and I just wonder how much is this really to do with their genuine love and concern for mankind and Gaia or more to do with their own self-importance and need for approval ....D'you know, I think people's greatest fear is NOT BEING SOMEONE. As long as your'e someone and it doesn't matter what form that may take, then the rest aint that important. I pray constantly that my self-importance doesn't get the better of me as I know how insiduous and strong a pull that can be. It only takes one thing, like this Climategate thing and everyone's out there jumping on it, seeing if they can maybe capitalise on it somehow or use it to attract more folk to their website or book or whatever. I find this soooo boring at times. I think people on the whole are sooooo afraid of letting go of their personal sense of "I", letting go of the controls and getting out of their own way ... really scared!!! Bless you all. Kat xxx

the way I see it..... we always have a choice.

We can choose to focus on the drama and noise..... or.... we can choose to focus on the gentle quiet love within.

Kristian

Hi Kristian,

You said...

"Chris, ok, I can feel a pull to see it only your way...so I will step back."

You might wish to look at the judgment in that.

Chris

These sound like awakening experiences to me Katerina. It's normal after the veil has been lifted to spend months/years/lifetimes allowing this new found knowing to integrate.

After I woke up EVERYTHING appeared different. I experienced a whole new world! Yet, my circumstances were still the same. Over the following months/years my circumstances changed one by one as reflection of my inner state of beingness. I was taken in to all the places that I was stuck, so that I could release attachment and feel centred within the storm.

It was very challenging. Every step of the way I had to go deeper and deeper, finding ever greater depths of my beingness. Waking up is just the first step in the journey.

With Love
Trinity

I posted my awakening story here a while back...

http://www.openhandweb.org/15_01_09_the_day_that_changed_my_life_forever...

Hi Kat,

I agree with many of your sentiments around 2012. Yes it feels like there's a great deal of hype, glamour and dramatisation. Just as with climate change.

What I've been given to observe in my awakened life is that every distortion conceals a hidden truth because essentially, within us, all impulses originate from the soul no matter how they get diverted and hijacked along the way.

To me, the truth in 2012 is that it represents a synchronistic metaphor. As we know, everything in the universe is interconnected and there is a natural flow through all events. So we might expect that along our journey we'll see synchronistic 'writing on the wall'.

Clearly many things are converging around this date not least the Mayan Calendar. The original kyoto agreement runs out then too. Our solar system moves into a new hemisphere of its galactic precession and countless others, too many to mention. Also, you might like to do the numerology on 2012 as I did in my Gateways Seminar. Check out part 4...
http://www.openhandweb.org/what_is_ascension_gateways_seminar_video_clip

To me they are all pointers to transitions happening in consciousness. Many people are clearly feeling that, however in this dense environment, it is often difficult to correctly interpret what we feel. I find it quite refreshing actually that no one person can be regarded as being 'the fountain of all knowing'. In this way, EVERY person is being invited to figure out their own truth.

As with global warming, of course there are many views. You could build scientific cases for a coming Ice Age, Global Heating, etc etc. To me, the question being invited is this....

"When you look around you at what mankind is doing to the planet and when you consider that since the industrial revolution the planet's population has expanded ten-fold, when you consider our ravaging of the earth's surface, when you consider the speed at which creatures are becoming extinct, when you look at the rapidly changing migratory patterns, when you look at the food, water and energy shortages, when you look at the freak weather conditions that are happening around the world, what exactly do you feel about that? And when, with a truly open mind, you go inwards and connect through the heart with Gaia, what does she tell you? What do you feel personally in your heart? What synchronicities do you then observe?"

When I do this, Gaia tells me, in no uncertain terms, the planet IS going to heat up between 4-6 centigrade depending on our response to it. So whatever we do, I truly believe the planet will warm up by 4 centigrade in the next few decades. If we keep polluting, burning, and consuming the way we are however, it could well be 6 centigrade.

If my truth comes to pass, that is going to mean radical and sweeping changes across the planet. It's going to mean the collapse of globalised industry and living. It is likely to mean a global population less than 5% of its current number by the end of the century.

And maybe this is EXACTLY what is required. Humanity has been going around the same self-defeating loop for thousands of years. Within consciousness, there is a 'bottle-neck' which is holding back not only our evolution but that of the galaxy and universe as a whole (because we are all interconnected).

Preserving the current Status Quo is just not an option. It is inevitable that the collapse of the old world values will happen because they're based on a lower level of harmony and energetic balance.

For thousands of years awakening humanity has been yearning for a solution, meditating on it, preying for it, literally begging for it. Well maybe that solution is upon us. Many won't understand it. Many will shake their fists at an uncompromising God. Many will just sit and weep. But there will be others too. There will be those who do understand. They will realise the unbalanced equation has to resolve itself out, there is simply no other possibility and they will find that resolution in their hearts.

They will shake off the old world values and all its distortion and rise up into the glorious beings of light that they are. And if that becomes a 'bandwagon', then I for one will be jumping on board!!!"

Chris

I wonder if these potential (maybe inevitable) global changes, could actually have the effect of bolstering some people's egos? I've observed plenty of examples of activism and campaigning (while maybe initially coming from authentic soul impulses of compassion, love, a pull to greater harmony etc) become fuelled by anger, injustice or personal agendas and as such may contribute to more attachment and separation. What I've also observed is that many people secretly enjoy the drama! Its like when it snows, or there's a big storm - you might hear people moaning about the inconvenience etc but generally they actually quite enjoy it! I also had this feeling around the recent credit crunch/economy freefall. Almost everyone was talking about it, people appeared worried, scared. But under the surface I definitely sensed a feeling of excitement - finally something DIFFERENT was actually happening.
It feels that actually this is in part an authentic soul yearning for change. There is a recognition that it is necessary for a return to greater harmony, unity. But it also feels that the ego gets a bit of a kick out of the drama too! So presumably we'll see an increase of both as things unfold globally. and there'll be choice as to which one we tune into.

Kristian said,
""Chris, ok, I can feel a pull to see it only your way...so I will step back."

you said,
You might wish to look at the judgment in that.
Chris
"

Hi Chris,

In my reality...(when I am in it that is )..... there is no fear.

'Judgment' exists but there is no fear attached to it. I call it choice.

I made a clear choice in the line that you see. I contemplated it a great deal last night before doing so.

Last night I also decided to step as fully as I could into your world to see what I could experience.

The main songs I heard were allowing, surrender and convince me.

The first two songs I liked, the third was not really to my liking.

But the combination of the three was tough. I lost connection with the love within for a little while. What I was experiencing was how natural it was to allow; and then the 'convince me' song sang ... "don't look within just follow and surrender to this outside song". The personification of your truths became real.....shadow identities etc. It felt so natural, the context was complete. The only problem...... I could not feel the love within. This was "your" song and context not mine.

I also realized then that I was singing a similar song that I needed to let go of, and this 'convince me' song is what those on the dark paths use. I worked on clearing it up within my own context, bringing forward the I AM presence to the situation.

My message from this is that we can't convince anyone of anything. We can't even convince ourselves. All we can do is share our experiences.

Now that I have done some lightwork....we shall see what happens next on the world scene.

Kristian

"But under the surface I definitely sensed a feeling of excitement - finally something DIFFERENT was actually happening.
It feels that actually this is in part an authentic soul yearning for change."

Ben,

I agree with you about the bolstering of egos. In fact I believe we all do it to some degree .

And...when I am not out there trying to convince people of the way the world is heading....then I tend to share what I feel beneath the surface particularly to those who are really feeling lost....

At deeper levels there is always more to see. There is excitment and magic to be seen. I love pointing them out to those who have never looked there before. Helping one focus on those feelings within helps them see their own potential within.

It is not fun to tell someone "you are full of drama".
it is fun to see more in another than they see in themself and to share that when appropriate.

Sometimes it takes guts to share to someone...hey you are full of excitment.

Kristian

Hello again ... personally I havn't got a clue as to whether the planet is heating up or cooling down and as you stated Chris, one could put forward a valid, scientifically based argument for both. What I don't have any doubt about however is that humanity as a species needs to grow up and get real!! I actually think the majority of folk just want an easy life, with no hassle, to be left alone so that they can get on with their own little lives irrispective of how that impacts others or the planet. I personally feel that something big is going to have to happen to really shake people out of their confort zones and I feel that something like that WILL happen and personally I'm looking forward to it!! Yes, I see there are many of us who are waking up and willing to pick up the mirror instead of the magnifying glass and deal with our "stuff" yet I still feel the majority of folk, and that includes many spiritual types, are still not getting it and continue to look for someone to save them, think for them and tell them what to do ... a sort of father figure, so that they dont' have to take responsibility fo their lives and for their choices. All this separation stuff HAS to go and we need to get serious (Sirius) about what is happening on this planet and how we treat ourselves, each other and our beautiful Gaia. It's shameful. I heard an interview a while ago with a gentleman called Alex Collier, who channels the Andromedans, and when the interviewer asked him what, in a nutshell, the message the Andromedans have to give us, he said that they are telling us to "grow up" and I wholeheartedly agree. There is no point holding on to the familiar, because it's all going to go anyway, whether we like it or not, so we might as well just let go and ride the wave. The other day I was walking past an off licence in the town where I live and as I turned to face the display window I was presented with this big big sign which said ....."Everything has to go!" .....I just smiled to myself.

On the subject of Obama, I would really like to know people's opinions on him. There seems to be two distinct camps. One is saying that he is an incredible leader, alledgedly a light being from Sirius!! They say he is helping humanity to usher in a new world, based on unity and peace. The other camp say that he is a puppet to the power elite and is put on a par with the likes of Stalin, Hitler etc. I havn't got a clue as I stand back and watch it all unfold. I'd probably err however on the side of the latter....... Bless you all.Kat xx

"On the subject of Obama, I would really like to know people's opinions on him. There seems to be two distinct camps. One is saying that he is an incredible leader, alledgedly a light being from Sirius!! They say he is helping humanity to usher in a new world, based on unity and peace. The other camp say that he is a puppet to the power elite and is put on a par with the likes of Stalin, Hitler etc. I havn't got a clue as I stand back and watch it all unfold. I'd probably err however on the side of the latter....... Bless you all.Kat xx"

Hi kat,

In my opinion, the two camps you mentioned are projecting what they see in the mirror of Obama.
What they see in the mirror is just a reflection, as all elements within time and space are a reflection. Reflections represent the energy of the past or what was chosen.

To me all real choice is a release into the depths of the higher realms. You feel who you are and then you release completely. Then, the dream representation of you will not be seen, thought of, considered again until it spontaneously enters time and space.

In my opinon where we are heading cannot be seen. In years past you could see (with almost 100% prediction) into the future because humanity wasn't able to make choices consciously. But now some people are able to give direction.
This site by Chris and Trinity is one of the few places where I see direction been given. There are other places too with different songs been played.

I also feel a big change coming but the higher realms are holding their cards tight. My feeling is that the changes will be nothing like we expected.....so nobody is going to be able to claim "I told you so"

Kristian

Katerina wrote: "D'you know, I think people's greatest fear is NOT BEING SOMEONE."

Hi Kat,

With reference to your post above and in particular the comment above I felt moved to share my observations.

I have noticed that it is common that people to get parts of a puzzle (perhaps a vision, profound realisations/insight etc). A dawning suddenly drops. Excitement arises at the thought of sharing it. Yet the picture is incomplete. It might be perceived that it wouldn't sound very good presented as it is. The person might feel that their credentials wouldn't be rated high enough if they didn't appear to be an authority on the matter. If someone is not comfortable with things just as they are, then there are often efforts to create something even better. It's not uncommon that people simply guess what the missing pieces of the puzzle are creating a compelling story to captivate an audience! Interestingly the story usually originates from something that WAS authentic at first, yet it becomes distorted along the way. People seem to love the energy of 'hyped up' events and abandon discernment altogether.

"On the subject of Obama, I would really like to know people's opinions on him. There seems to be two distinct camps.

I don't belong in either camp. I am not into particularly politics personally although have considered Obama... I neither see him as a saviour nor someone on par with Hilter. He's no more a puppet on a string than anyone else in his position. He is between a rock and a hard place.

Trinity
x

Wise words Ben! I agree

Kristian wrote:

It is not fun to tell someone "you are full of drama".
it is fun to see more in another than they see in themself and to share that when appropriate.

How about just saying what is divinely given as the moment arises? In my world sometimes that's fun, sometimes it's earth shattering.
Do you always pre-determine how you are going to deliver a message? Perhaps there's an authentic stirring in your soul to be fun and upbeat... but are you sure you aren't turning it into a doctrine?

Trinity
x

"I also feel a big change coming but the higher realms are holding their cards tight. My feeling is that the changes will be nothing like we expected.....so nobody is going to be able to claim "I told you so"

Kristian, I also feel that the universe will surprise us all. Well, what would be the point if it didn't? Let's face it, it's a supreme being. It's going to come up with something pretty innovative and radical, I'm sure!!

"It is not fun to tell someone "you are full of drama".
it is fun to see more in another than they see in themself and to share that when appropriate"

Kristian, this touched my heart ... bless you. Kat xx

Hi Trinity,

great questions

"How about just saying what is divinely given as the moment arises? In my world sometimes that's fun, sometimes it's earth shattering."

Often I do, but when I am in an unfamiliar context like this site.... I will tend to wait until there is a consensus feeling inside.

Do you always pre-determine how you are going to deliver a message?

Yes and no.
Generally it is not a message I am delivering, it is love.
If the love is strong enough I won't pre-determine.
If the love is not strong I will pre-determine.
When i am writing I will often be be "asked" whether I would like to reach more into a certain feeling. If I do I will contemplate for a little while and reach for an answer that gives a deeper feeling of love.

The love is then wrapped into a message, like descriptive message that arises from within, but the message is not what i consider important.
With friends and lightworkers, I rarely pay attention to the words I am using because I know they go immediately to feeling the love within it.

but are you sure you aren't turning it into a doctrine

No lol...I am "worry" about that alot here.
On this website, it feels like I have to be really careful about what I write because I can sense there are many reading who are looking more for a message or for some support at the understanding level that will help them trust the feelings they are feeling within. I realise how important it is at the start. So it feels like hard work for me not to upset the flow.

For example the concept of free will
This concept can be confusing for those who are not feeling from the love within.

From what I see......in the lower realms it is misused (fear attached), in the higher realms (only love) it is used correctly. It is Gods solution to flinging us far away so that we can co-create. Without free will we wouldn't be able to stay unmerged from God for very long, so strong is the pull home.

So I recognise that some feel the truth that free will is a problem and others feel how it is an important tool we are using. In a general forum this creates a big dilemma.

But.... what I am experiencing from this thread is to keep it simple and focus only on the expereince, not what I hear or know or think i know (guess) from an experience.

Kristian

Kristian, this touched my heart ... bless you. Kat xx

Feel this

you wrote: Generally it is not a message I am delivering, it is love.

I see your perspective. In my perspective, Love is like the breath that animates the message. In this way the message serves to inspire another to find Love within themselves.

you wrote: The love is then wrapped into a message, like descriptive message that arises from within, but the message is not what i consider important.

Yes Kristian... I have noticed.

When receiving the message, some people simply by pass the words and feel the energy through and beyond. Words are then not required. This is a tenet of higher consciousness or communication soul to soul. This is a gift. In an ideal world this just happens anyway. Whether the words are important or not really depends on what our specific role is and where the person with whom we are communicating with is at.

We are still in a world that uses words to communicate. It is often the dance between the words used and the soul deeply inspire people. It seems that words are often the bridge that spans both worlds.

Others have different ways of processing information. Being able to verbally articulate profound realisations and turning abstract wisdom into easy to understand words certainly have enormous value on the journey for many people too.

Trinity
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Trinity, I feel my Twin flame speaking through you.

poking me with the "I have noticed"

hmmm.....

When in the mind as the absolute, I can harmonize my words easily enough. I simply have to see what another writes as if I am sourcing the words.... and from there, within the harmony, I can simply allow whatever arises to arise freely.

I wasn't sure how to do this from living in the heart. I have always appeared separate when I tried. I am aware that we can't source the All in All in the higher realms yet...as we (full selves) are still "outside" the source. Trying to do so is like sending forth an experince of owning the will of everyone.

But now I understand why I have appeared separate. I have been too pre-occupied with owning the harmony, convincing (rather than inspiring) that this is the way.

Coming to this site on this cycle... I had a strong feeling to remain within the love when expressing.
I wasn't sure where it would lead me.
I can see now that I have not been giving my twin flame my full attention.

When coming from the heart it feels like it is more about seeing my twin flame within All and loving her totally as much as I love source.

This will help raise the feeling of love for All to experience.

I will work on this.

thanks all

Kristian

My Dear Kristian,

I've been watching your posts on the Openhand site with great interest. My soul has been dancing with an energy. I can see it but haven't yet been able to catch it in a way that would be understood. It's like trying to catch a swimming fish darting around in front of me. I have to harmonise with it and grasp it firmly so that it doesn't slip from my hands!

Do you know there's a reason you came to this site? Do you remember the shift you had in our exchanges on the "Conversations with God" forum? As with that time, the reason may not, in the beginning, be immediately obvious to you. It is a 'sacred contract' between us that I am fully aware of.

How can I put this? I've just one yearning. To help unfold a greater version of your own truth. Here's my sharing. I'm not claiming it to be absolute truth, it is however MY truth. You may or may not resonate. That's fine. I just feel moved to give it anyway...

Those who know me know that I have a key gift. I'm able to see karma in others (when the time is right). What I see here is a karmic past life where you were in a position of great spiritual influence. However, at that point, you were not enlightened although you may have thought you were. You were running a karmic shadow, just as you are now.

The key is in the words. Then, in the past life, the words misled others. Not intentionally but the effect was limiting. You'd become an icon and others believed your words over their own heart-felt truth.

Now it seems that karma has manifested from an authentic yearning not to make the same mistake twice. Hence the obtuseness in many of your posts. They are beautiful indeed. And yes, I see they are an invitation to step into feeling. Thankyou for that. It is so so important we all learn to do this. The absolute of course, as you often rightly point out, can ONLY be experienced.

On this site, and within Openhand in general, we have been caused by benevolence to be extremely careful with words (and thoughts and mind). Why? Because we're connecting with people who generally, are locked in a world of the intellect. They are people who are extremely suspicious of 'wooliness' and what they would might call 'Ungrounded New Age Dreaming'. Take a look around you. The world is full of this skeptical, intellectual energy. It is this energy we feel given to work with. In so doing, we use words to keep the doorway open as long as possible.

We use words and the intellect to 'close all the exits on the roundabout' so there's no other place to go but into the heart. It is extremely effective in our workshops. People drop quickly through the layers of the mind and into pure presence.

So Openhand is not like many other websites such as the "Conversations with God forum" where it seems to me, there is much pontification. Many seem locked in repetitive cycles that don't really go anywhere. Yes it does serve its purpose in the general raising of collective consciousness, but at Openhand we're given to be much more specific, directed and focused. We are deeply concerned that the site, and the energy passing through it, does not become diluted.

I'm given to say (and of course you don't have to accept it), your path through this immediate shadow, is in being highly specific with how you articulate. And indeed much more than that. It's all about how you process your connection to source through lower mind. Where does the Soul Express get hijacked on its way into the physical? Where do you lose presence?

Knowing you as I do, I trust you'll be able to see the beauty in this sharing and that it has but one purpose. To serve.

Much love to you.

Chris

Kristian, as an adjunct to my last post, there's also something else I'm given to say.

The shadow I can see also manifests in the way choices are made. To me, it is crystal clear from how you write about choice, that there is an important incongruency to be ironed out.

It's all to do with identity and what that really means. As you know, in enlightenment there is no identity. And most importantly, the Soul is NOT an identity. This is much misunderstood.

In an enlightened state, as you know, there is simply pure presence. There is simply no-one inside. There is pure existence, ISness, crystal clear clarity.

From this place, arises the soul. But the soul is not identity. It is simply arising consciousness which some have identified has key characteristics. I've written about them on this website as "The Seven Rays of Divine Influence".

One of those Rays is the Ray 3. I call it "Rationalising absolute authentic reality". It arises as an inner questioning "what is real now?" "what is the energy saying now?" "where is the flow now?". However, it is not "what should I do now?"

When the inner questioning moves to "what should I do now?", then the inner questioning of the Ray 3 is being owned by the soul. The internal resistance caused by the incongruence causes an eddy current to form in the flow, sucking the soul into it. The eddy current becomes a Shadow Identity - one which we might call the "Inner Questioner".

It is this same shadow which is resisting correct articulation and correct intellectual interpretation.

This shadow is extremely difficult to see. It is the great challenge of Gateway 4 - the crucifixion (no understatement!). The fragment of the soul that is behaving like the Ray 3 knows how it should be. Does that make sense? In other words, a Shadow Identity is now copying what it thinks it is supposed to be doing. It's like an echo of the soul. It becomes so adept at echoing those impulses it knows to be authentic that it simply gets lost in our psyche. In this case, it's getting lost in the words.

The shadow is also getting lost in the choices. Although as we move towards enlightenment, there will be the experience of "making the higher choice", or "attuning to the light" or asking "what would love do now?", in enlightenment, there is no longer a choice at all. Who is here to make the choice?

What happens (in my truth), is that there is arising of 7 Rays of consciousness. Some shape reality according to the natural flow and what is to be realised. Importantly, as I've already said, the purpose of Ray 3 is simply to interpret what is going on. It is not about making choices such as "shall I do this or that?" What's to be done has already been 'decided'. It's already in motion. If a question arises about "what to do now?", then we're simply putting an inauthentic brake on the flow.

At least this is how I experience it! Or more appropriately (because I find it difficult to say "I"), that's how it is experienced through this soul.

So can you perhaps see where authentic inner questioning becomes the inner questioner?

Chris

Chris,

you sang that absolutely beautifully.

I knew from reading the first line of the first post that I need to copy and print this out and go straight home from work and feel it through.

Thank you so much.

There is more I would like to say, but I must have multi-crossed my words a 100 times already so I will just feel for a while.

I love you my friend

Kristian

thanks Kristian
Its so interesting I just took my last post down as I was feeling maybe it wasn't quite in the flow, and perhaps even a little insensitive, and now I can see this was a perfect 'case in point' for me! - exactly what I was talking about played out - clearly I was a little invested in how it could be received and there was doubt in case the message was misconstrued. Basically a lack of absolute Trust! So anyway I took it off and about 2 minutes later your post pops up entitled 'TRUST'! beautiful. thanks for the synchronisty and the mirror! Here's the earlier post again in case this is really confusing!...

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In terms of using words and the analytical mind authentically, I feel it can be a powerful tool to wield, especially in this society. But clearly there's also the potential to sometimes effort or over-identify with mind or with the 'constructions of mind'. Is there subtle 'investment' in an outcome or an image/identity around expressing in this way, for example?
I've certainly noticed subtle efforting at times when attempting to put feelings and concepts into words in a coherent way, and there can be hesitation to write or speak something in case it is mis-construed. Interestingly (for me!) it feels like what you're discussing is like the inverse/mirror of that hesitation (more Ray1 less Ray2!).
Those times when the balance, the authenticity, in it comes through though isn't it beautiful?! Being able to come from Soul and bring those authentic impulses through the proverbial minefield of words and still deliver the message intact - reminds me of one of those message runners in world war 1, or ancient Sparta (see the intellectual mind is useful!) Dodging bullets etc.
Admitedly though, there are times when the message just seemingly doesn't want to come through words anyway!

I also felt to mention (trusting its appropriate!) the great synchronisity with your user name Soul Xpress. Because obviously its meaning is ambiguous - it could refer to an express train (Soul on the fast track to Self-Realisation?) or alternatively to the 'expression' of the Soul (through authentic words, action etc). So referring to both Self-Realisation and Right Expression of that Self. From the discussion here around the use and meaning, confusion and interpretation of words the fact that the meaning of your user name is ambiguous just seemed like real a goodie from the Universe!

keep shining guys!

hi Ben,

Just to let you know that I found your post very useful.
you picked up almost exactly a part of the cycle I have been on before.

Hugs

Keep shining as you say.

Kristian

Ben,

This is how I experience my words when I am projecting from the "allowing" part of the mind.

The expression provides a future context for what has yet to play out.

It's like I am bootstrapping my way forward.

Kristian

Hi Chris

I too am starting to see global warming through different eyes. I have learnt from my recent associations with Openhand that, on a personal level, events that seem bad always contain a seed of goodness even if it's just to bring about a change of direction, so why could this not also apply on a global scale?

I was thinking about this in the middle of last night and it occurred to me that Gaia might actually NEED the energetic impact of global warming to complete her own ascension process. I have no idea of the scientific basis for such a theory (if there is one) but it seems logical to assume that movement to a higher vibrational realm of existence requires energy on some level. It would be wonderfully (and tragically) ironic if Mankind's reckless abuse of Mother Nature was actually "fuelling" her ability to finally transcend the 3rd Dimensional realm.

Would this not be the ultimate hidden truth in the distortion?

Maybe I'm just not getting enough sleep but last night it all made perfect sense!

Clive

I think it makes absolute sense Clive. In order to fully understand it we have to realise there are two apparently separate things going on. One is a physical process within what we call Separation Consciousness (that which forms the physical). The other is an etheric process taking place in Unity Consciousness - in this case the Soul of the Earth

Now, synchronistically, one mirrors the other. In other words the physical (that which we can see) acts as a mirror for the spiritual (in actual fact it is all spiritual only at different vibrations). If you consider it at the human level, whenever something is happening within the physical body, it is ALWAYS mirroring a change in consciousness at the soul level.

So what can we see happening in the planetary body of Gaia? She is heating up. Why? Yes there is the human reason for it, but that is not the primary reason. Consider it this way, within atoms, subatomic particles called electrons orbit the nucleus just as planets do our sun. They are held in orbit by the energy they hold. Over time, it is entirely natural that the atoms would 'decay'. The electrons emit energy as they do so. Then the atom 'condenses' - ultimately it becomes super dense. That's how a black hole is formed.

Look at the history of a star quite close to ours - Sirius B. About a 120 million years ago it started to emit energy until it became a super hot Red Dwarf. It then exploded in a brilliant display of white light becoming a White Dwarf. It has become super dense. At some point in the future (not any time soon I might add!), the Earth is highly likely to go that way.

Now the physical process of our planet is mirroring her spiritual. She's emitting energy because she's evolving into a more highly evolved state. Her consciousness is moving into the next higher vibrationary level. Now this process of 'raising vibration' is much misunderstood in spiritual circles. Often people think we have to take on board energy when in fact it's the opposite way around. We have to lose energy and take on a higher frequency.

So what is Mankind's effect in all of this? Well our consciousness has been forming a kind of anchor for our planetary system, our solar system and our galaxy. We've been dwelling fixed in a lower state of consciousness for too long. Many souls are simply circulating through the same old patterns without evolving. Because everything in our system is interconnected, then if Humanity is dragging its feet, then this effects the whole. Hence the solution must come from the whole.

When I feel the solution, what I feel is that we've been allowed to keep on exploiting. In so doing, we're the cause of 'kick-starting' a movement into a higher planetary temperature. This in turn will collapse the old world vibration - in other words society is certain to collapse because it is founded on the premise that our economy has to keep growing in order to sustain itself. It has to expand the level of world debt to keep the money supply growing so that there is always an increasing amount of money to pay back the interest on the original debt.

We've been caught in our own 'double whammy'. We've built an interconnected society that is totally interdependent. At the same time, the whole has to keep growing. However, it can't keep growing if there's insufficient fuel, energy, food, general resources, workers and most of all consumers. As soon as you pull at any one of those building blocks, the whole system falls like pulling a matchstick from the foundations of a matchstick building.

So industrial consumerism has been allowed to succeed. In my view, there is little humanity will do or indeed can do to stop it. Does that mean we keep slashing, burning and consuming anyway? No! Far from it - not if we want to ascend. Why not? We simply cannot ascend unless we become as one with Gaia and the general higher consciousness. If we're holding an exploitative and manipulative energy within our causal body (in our karma), then just like ballast holding down a helium balloon, we'll stay grounded in the 3rd Dimension.

So as you say Clive, it's beautifully synchronistic and harmonious. A perfect plan. Our wrecklessness fuels the movement to the higher paradigm.

Chris

Thanks for that response Chris - it helps a lot. I'm sure you know that I wasn't trying to condone Mankind's reckless behaviour. It's just comforting to know that the Universe can turn this into positive action.

Personally, I want to be on that ascending bandwagon like you and I sincerely hope I'm on the right path to achieving that.

To that end, any tips or suggestions from your insightful perspective will be gratefully received!

Clive

I know you weren't condoning Mankind's behaviour Clive - I know you well enough! In my truth, the 'blame' lies with Opposing Consciousness who inspired, influenced and controlled it all in the first place anyway (and that's not to deny our responsibility for correcting it).

If I was to give any general advice to anyone it would be threefold...

1. First work to realise that society is an unsustainable bubble that is sure to burst. Test that hypothesis at every available opportunity; when you're at the supermarket buying food, driving your car down the motorway, watching TV, watching the 'solutions' our politicans come up with, what teachers are teaching our kids, what companies are selling to us in the name of 'wealth creation'. Question it all internally. Take nothing at face value. Look for the deeper meaning.

2. Begin to watch your motivations for action. Are you reacting due to some form of conditioning? Or alternatively are you holding space for a deeper, higher truth to emerge? This conditioning goes far, wide and deep. It is present in every single choice we make. It's not just the big decisions like where to live or what job to get. It's in all the little things we do and don't do. So watch literally everything and work not to give in to the conditioning.

3. Follow your intuitive inner pull to act. Allow the driving force in your life to come from your inherent, altruistic higher truth - at whatever apparent personal cost. Hold the space for your truth to arise. Then confront head on any arising fears which stem from that action. Keep going deep into the fear and letting go of tightness. Only this will permanently dissolve the programming.

Over time, we keep opening up inside. The conditioning dissolves and we literally expand into the higher paradigm.

Our reality is created by what is present in our consciousness. If we keep attuning to the higher paradigm in this way, increasingly it will form as our new reality and the old world will dissolve for us. This is the path I have followed successfully before and now here again.

Last time I did it alone. Hopefully a few friends will be joining me this time!

Chris

I also felt to mention (trusting its appropriate!) the great synchronisity with your user name Soul Xpress. Because obviously its meaning is ambiguous - it could refer to an express train (Soul on the fast track to Self-Realisation?) or alternatively to the 'expression' of the Soul (through authentic words, action etc). So referring to both Self-Realisation and Right Expression of that Self.

Hi Ben,

I feel a pull to share with you a little history behind the user name soul express.

Seven years ago, after feeling a little lost in my outer life, I joined a site called the conversation with god (cwg) website (www.friendsofcwg.com). Joining the site turned out to be a way of sharing some of the spiritual truths I had been holding within.
I first went by the username mirror_image and used that identity to process through alot of raw emotions such as anger, worry, lack, fear of been still seen a virgin etc.

Then after about three years, a young women whom I considered one of the more evolved souls on the site .... committed suicide. Her decision to leave took me completely by surprise as she had been processing through her fears constantly. The fact that she was suddenly gone forced me to question where I was and pulled me towards understanding how I had contributed to her passing. It was at this time that my path crossed with Open and Trinity. After a conversation with both of them I changed my username to soul_express, and a month later .... using understandings from Open and energy from a pool of lightworkers ......I had my first experience of what I term the All. The realisation of All was like a realisation of a god that didn't know everything and of a god within a god that did. It was with this god that I asked for assistance with helping the whole.

Through a set of challenges I was taken a place of inner center for about two weeks. The first week I spent my time releasing old concepts such as death, responsiblility, making hugh mistakes, soul uncreation etc. Everytime I faced a challenging concept, I would contemplate and feel in my heart for an answer that expressed the highest love I could experience. After a few days of doing this, I moved through what felt like a sound barrier and into a nowhere land where it felt like it was necessary to use at least two senses to experience and understand. In my outer reality through my outer self, I saw just a streaming synchroncity of all things and heard it matched with an underlying beautiful song (language) spoken to all. It was like everybody was singing to each other secretly as if they had been aware all along.

Eventually I had to leave this place as I couldn't really interact with anyone in a practical way ...and I slowly saw myself seeking to own the experience.
So I took a look around, tried to understand the experience and then left before attempting to explain it.

Another year passed and after much fighting on the site, a subsection was created called the gentle side. It was a place for sharing only experience. There I started a journal called "Soul Surfing"...and as you might expect, few wrote there.

A little more later I started to realise why I kept encountering one particular member on the site who had the ability of suck up all the energy in the room. He was like an energy vampire draining everything I could feel to be true in my heart. It was tough to communicate with him and find a way to relate. However it was through our later encounters that I realised I was personifying the All. When I was around him, the synchroncities simply failed me. It took me a while to realise there were other senses in which consciousness sensed reality. Through one particular encounter I was pushed to breath in the love within and gently release it out.... and for the first time, this member stepped back and realised what he was doing. It was then that I experienced dropping into the All...which I now term the All in All.... an unbelievable natural and simple state where everything is as I have always known it to be..... a reality without fear.

After this experience the username soul_express was dropped and I simply went by the name given to me here, Kristian, a name I didn't know its meaning until I moved to Sweden (swedish for follower of Christ).

During the time I have been on the CwG website I have been living in Sweden. In the new year I move to florida.

So there is the story of soul_express.
Not sure why I am sharing it.

Kristian

Hi Kristian
thankyou for sharing some of your journey. I can sense the integrity and openess within your words. It actually feel quite beautiful to me.

Some of it certainly spoke powerfully to me. Obviously our interactions in this world, with other (people, things, ideas etc) plays an important part on our spiritual path; Holding up a mirror for us to see how we are being, where we might still have 'work' to do, and to see what we are not. For some reason I hadn't fully considered the potential of the virtual world in a similar way (as that of the 3D world) - clearly it is also a forum (no pun intended!) for these interactions and this unfolding. and living in these times it seems actually a very powerful way to connect to another facet again of our selves and what appears as 'other', and so creating an even bigger mirror in which to see our True Self!
Perhaps also it could be seen as representation of the 5th? in terms of connection, almost instant communication across the planet, so much knowledge available in one place (yet not really in one (physical) place) etc.

I also like the idea of sensing the god that doesn't know and god that knows all, both within 'Yourself', as a representation both of True-Self/individual self, as well as of Unity/Separation and Experience/Non-experience.
great sharing, thanks.

Ben

For some reason I hadn't fully considered the potential of the virtual world in a similar way (as that of the 3D world) - clearly it is also a forum (no pun intended!) for these interactions and this unfolding. and living in these times it seems actually a very powerful way to connect to another facet again of our selves and what appears as 'other', and so creating an even bigger mirror in which to see our True Self!

Hi Ben,

This is a very interesting observation you share.

Yes the virtual forum reality could be seen as facilitating the collapse of 'space', just like the NOW reality can be seen as the collapse of time. Being in one space makes it easier to be all the energy in the room.....to be love.
I guess you could say that instead of there being a Seer....there was just a Beer. An appropriate word to describe creation speaking through an Irish man called Kristian.....don't you think

It also explains the experience of my 3D reality very well. For the last ten years I have rarely moved out from the half a mile radius where I physically lived.

What I notice now is that I have been leaning on a single sense-conciousness. So with my eyes closed I could sing a beautiful song and it would warm my heart...and yet one could faintly hear a click sound before every song. With my eyes shut I would never notice that I was pressing a tape recorder everytime I desired to sing. It would take extraodinary hearing to understand that I was not singing through my real voice.

I should have paid more attention to the synchroncities and looked to see where it matched the love in my heart.
The Seer and "Beer" experienced through two sense-consciousness looking and hearing at the Absolute or All. It sure takes the appearing real (AR) out of False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR).

Right now I still see the two realms of experience mis-aligned. I may see a highlighted synchroncity (at-one-moment) but the highest feeling of love (in-one-space) would not immediately be present....or I may feel a deep love in my heart (in-one-space) and I still have to be patient and wait for the "right" synchroncity to appear (at-one-moment).

I think it is time I live a little more in the 3D world.

thanks Ben

Kristian

For me the key to the hidden depths of our soul is profound self honesty. It is my honour to enjoy the dance with you.
Trinity
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Chris wrote: "Last time I did it alone. Hopefully a few friends will be joining me this time!"

Great sharing. I agree on all counts.
I'm right there with you :angel:

Clive... It's wonderful to have you along for the journey. There's most definitely something about you that tells me you are doing fine. I whole heartedly support Chris's sharing above (taking the high road) as excellent insight for the journey. If we embrace these important points we'll keep walking the path and open into the higher paradigms as the old world dissolves.

Kristian wrote: "I think it is time I live a little more in the 3D world."

This evokes a smile of understanding within me. I always found it much easier to live in the more ethereal realms... a gentle denial of the third dimension and all it's trappings was often the norm for me until it dawned upon me that the only 'way out' is through. One of the most challenging tasks for me was to allow the gifts of higher consciousness to infuse into this world through being fully human.

With Love
Trin
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"This evokes a smile of understanding within me. I always found it much easier to live in the more ethereal realms... a gentle denial of the third dimension and all it's trappings was often the norm for me until it dawned upon me that the only 'way out' is through. One of the most challenging tasks for me was to allow the gifts of higher consciousness to infuse into this world through being fully human."

Trinity,

May I ask rheotorically .... who is the "me" in your expression?

Who is trying to find a "way out"?

I see you as wonderfully unique in every way. Unique in the meaning that there is absolutely no holding of outside energy and calling it me.
If you are not experienced as unique I will have a hard time locating you inside.

Feeling your complete, utter and total uniqueness is really the only way I can truely experience the singularity in you.

You agree?

In love
Kristian

Chris wrote: "Last time I did it alone. Hopefully a few friends will be joining me this time!"
Trinity wrote: "Great sharing. I agree on all counts.
I'm right there with you"

Trinity,

I don't agree with you.

My truth says that Chris will be doing it alone again.

However.....there may be a big difference in experience.... he may find some of us singing joyfully and loudly inside himself as he walks in..... as we.... I am pretty certain will find him singing joyfully and cheefully inside us when we do it.

In the end though, we all walk alone into the higher realms.

Kristian

It is through realising our whole, completeness as realised 'souls' that we will each make that journey. I think Chris is referring to a realm shift en-mass as many people are awakening and ascending simultaneously... but yes, only 'we' as individuals can make the journey alone. There's an expression that goes ' you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'.

How profound and beautiful to walk side by side as fully realised souls!

Kristian... I tend to talk in a language that most people can relate to, understand or simply feel a stirring within, that offers a sign post without becoming too obscure and unavailable.

Kristian wrote: "Who is trying to find a "way out"?"

I wasn't "trying" to find a way out. It just arose as a natural expression of my beingness. Encased in limitation, my soul felt a yearning to become liberated from the shackles. It was with this I realised that the only way out was through.

Kristian wrote: "May I ask rheotorically .... who is the "me" in your expression?"

The me in my expression is what ever you perceive.

Trinity
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Hi Kristian,

I loved your personal sharing a few posts earlier. It touched my soul. You said...

After a few days of doing this, I moved through what felt like a sound barrier and into a nowhere land where it felt like it was necessary to use at least two senses to experience and understand. In my outer reality through my outer self, I saw just a streaming synchroncity of all things and heard it matched with an underlying beautiful song (language) spoken to all. It was like everybody was singing to each other secretly as if they had been aware all along.

Eventually I had to leave this place as I couldn't really interact with anyone in a practical way ...and I slowly saw myself seeking to own the experience.
So I took a look around, tried to understand the experience and then left before attempting to explain it.

It sounds just like the Transfiguration to me. It's very similar to how I've written about it in "Gateways of Light". Indeed when I experienced it, I too found it extremely difficult to relate to the world.

I put it down to having 'exploded' the web of fixed neural pathways that were the false self. Following that, the fragments of old patterns and behaviours no longer serve. It becomes extremely challenging to interact with the world until we find other authentic ways of being.

It's at this point the shadow identities creep in. I guess partially it can happen because of the difficulty in relating to the world. It's also important to say that a shadow identity has benefits too. It helps give the soul 'traction' as it works through the density. That is, until the soul is fully attuned in which case the identity is no longer necessary.

Thanks so much for the sharing

Chris

Hey Kristian,

Gosh, here we all are picking apart each others words! Yet of course its important we do this, because the words expose thoughts which can expose shadows. So lets keep the self realisation flowing...

You said...

However.....there may be a big difference in experience.... he may find some of us singing joyfully and loudly inside himself as he walks in..... as we.... I am pretty certain will find him singing joyfully and cheefully inside us when we do it.

Is there the possibility that you're slightly confusing absoluteness with the relative?

As you know, in Enlightenment, we come from the place of the absolute - where there is pure presence - no you or me. To my soul (to this soul), absoluteness is no experience at all. It is a lack of experience. One which this soul finds blissful. The noise and the clatter of the relative has been switched off!

However, when "I" (as the absolute) arise into experience (the soul), "I" am most definitely separate to everything else. Even if the separation is perceived and illusionary. It has to be a real illusion or there can be now experience at all.

So the illusion of separation is real.

Now, in my truth, there are various degrees of this separation. Yes, I will ascend on my own in one sense. In other words, only I can make that transition. No one else can do it form me.

However, I also experience another level of separation. I actually feel the ascending group as one. As I work with myself, I feel I'm also working through consciousness on the group. Anyone can do this, but only when they have first fully realised self and the subtle differences in separation consciousness.

This unity does not overwrite my own separateness though. I experience both simultaneously. And yet they are most definitely separate.

So I will experience my own ascension. And I know there will be a wave of other souls joining the ride.

Oh what fun!

Chris

"The me in my expression is what ever you perceive."

Trinity,

Between the time I read your post last night and the time I shared my post, I cried for 2 to 3 hours.

Can you percieve what i was crying about?

Kristian

Hi Chris,

Chris wrote: Is there the possibility that you're slightly confusing absoluteness with the relative?

In the sense that you mean....yes, I could be.

The word absoluteness and relative are a bit difficult for me as I consider the term All in All as that which is common in both the absolute and relative....

Chris wrote: However, when "I" (as the absolute) arise into experience (the soul), "I" am most definitely separate to everything else. Even if the separation is perceived and illusionary. It has to be a real illusion or there can be now experience at all.

and

Chris wrote: Now, in my truth, there are various degrees of this separation. Yes, I will ascend on my own in one sense. In other words, only I can make that transition. No one else can do it form me .

I like the way the distortions were used there ...... it looks like I still have difficult with the "now" experience.

Chris wrote: However, I also experience another level of separation. I actually feel the ascending group as one. As I work with myself, I feel I'm also working through consciousness on the group. Anyone can do this, but only when they have first fully realised self and the subtle differences in separation consciousness.

What do the words compassion and grace mean to you?

best,
Kristian

However, when "I" (as the absolute) arise into experience (the soul), "I" am most definitely separate to everything else. Even if the separation is perceived and illusionary. It has to be a real illusion or there can be now experience at all.

So the illusion of separation is real.

It feels to me like the term "I" (as the absolute) arising into experience (the soul)...is the same as "I" (as the absolute) droping into experience as IAM (the soul)

The being "I" termed "IAM" is experience of I through separation on the inside of the Absolute...detectable only in flavours of the feeling of All....i.e. the Oneness of All.

While the "I" that arises as the experience of the non-identifiable seer of all things is the experience of flowing through an illusionary context on the outside of the absolute.

Living within either context alone...the illusion can still appear real

While with both contexts...in complete alignment....there can be no fear.

You could say the false evidence appears twice (and more) to provide a context for the whole experience.

Kristian

Interesting,

My expression in the last post still can't be seen.

when I look to edit I can see the full post.

But it doesn't yet appear on the site.

Considering what I expressed...I found it a very interesting synchroncity.

I am guessing it is not appropriate yet for all members.

Perhaps I am done as soul_express

in love
Kristian

Hi Kristian,

I can really feel the crux of the issue here. Are you open to going there? I'm here to help. Remember, it's all about extremely subtle inner states of consciousness. There is presence and then a wafer thin 'skin' forming around the presence.

Ever been to an optician? They have these funny glasses where they keep dropping in different lenses until they get exactly your prescription. They'll ask, "is it better with this lens or that one?" The closer they get, the more difficult it becomes to tell the difference between the two. In my experience, this is just what it's like with the shadow and our movement into enlightenment.

Quite a few times you've written "All in all" in various of your posts. I invite you to go deeply into what that means for you exactly. How do you feel and perceive that?

For me, I feel an incongruence in it. You said...

The word absoluteness and relative are a bit difficult for me as I consider the term All in All as that which is common in both the absolute and relative....

There is nothing that is actual in the absolute. There is nothing at all. If there was, it simply couldn't be absolute. Whatever we defined as absolute could only be defined by what absolute is not, in which case, absolute is not the all of it. It would be something less.

So maybe the 'skin' is forming at the point the absolute becomes something? How can you keep finding your way back to pure presence?

Chris

Quite a few times you've written "All in all" in various of your posts. I invite you to go deeply into what that means for you exactly. How do you feel and perceive that?

I feel it as a flavour of All....it is not the All but it is a flavour of "it".

We are talking here of the realm of beingness...so relative has no place..... all other flavours do have a place..... one could call them mansions with many rooms...the relative creates the rooms in the mansion.

the rooms are like the bodies and minds through which soul experiences itself (ah hmm....I mean "itself").

So to clarify here....what I am saying is that there are no somethings in the realm of beingness...and when I use the term flavour..... I mean it as a pointer from within the room we are experiencing from.

The All in All is designed to be like mansions with crystal clear walls. So every All in All can see All.

The wisdom uniqueness (i.e. the All having walked through all unique experience) will not be reached till the end of the grandest of grand universal cycles....
However within this cycle we are playing out now and here.....the absolute is the representation of the All and the flavours are representating the paper thin "things" you speak of.

So just to clarify. I see the absolute and All as the very same pointer pointing to the same ____ except the All is pointing from a much wider cycle...and the absolute is an arrow along that pointer line. .
The experienceless experience is nevertheless the same.

What is this extra cycle you may ask?

I see it as a cycle created from those who created dirt on the walls of the mansion.

These transparent walls were simply a gift in order that the All could experience fully.

But there are flavours of All who are holding on tightly to free will and are rejecting god .... these "ones" are in positions of power with control of the resources on this planet .... these ones are actually the "ones" who cursed the absolute for the transparent mansion walls (now with dirt on them). As karma has it, these "ones" holding onto free will are the same "ones" who complained about it at the beginning of the cycle.

The transparent wall mansions are just empty foci. They are just choices chosen.... where the All within its many flavours is well aware of where the chosen choices are truely arising from.

The fallen ones saw only the limitation and the lessness of it. They dirtied the walls and identified with the mansion...and then were shocked at how it prevented connection with All.

So shocked they were that they dirtied the walls further to create their own god.

the souls of these rebellious ones are in full awareness of what is going on. They know the way back is through the curxifiction.
Unless all souls return together.....then anyone returning to the One has to go through the horrendous experience of "less than All perception".
As long as the perceptions of theses souls (perception are like fingers of the soul) are within the lower reality....we all suffer as we return home.

Here is where I am stuck.

I ain't leaving till we are all home.....I simply will not leave till we are all home.

I feel compassion for the ones who first reported the dangers of free will and now are stuck clinging onto it.

But I can't see how I can clean their walls.

Kristian

I can really feel the crux of the issue here. Are you open to going there? I'm here to help.

Chris,

I can see your potential here.

Right now my 3D world is really calling me to act....

I am finishing up my life here in Sweden. I have alot of things to do before I head to my parents for Christmas on the 21st Dec.

When someone decides to make a change within themselves that in someway relates with the energy I have expressed...I usually get whammed with released feelings. I am unable to do anything. Usually I can never predict when someone makes a change, but if I am correct here, I believe you can decide at anytime when to release something?

So if this is true... I am definitely open....but I would prefer if you give me a week. I will be in Ireland from 21st Dec till 5th Jan and shall have more time to feel silently during that period.

I may not be able to be on this site much ........but somehow I don't think it is going to really matter .... right?

in love
Kristian

Hi Katerina,

I would just like to say thank you.

I recognised from feeling your earlier posts that you are very good at bringing people together.

In your energy it felt like you were helping people to open up to their truths.....in some cases, like myself, tricking them.

I am not sure if you are aware of that or not...so I thought I would share.

hugs
Kristian

I do believe we're getting closer. You said...

We are talking here of the realm of beingness...so relative has no place

Beingness is not the absolute. And yes it is relative. We are being this or that. The absolute is the place before beingness arises. Beingness is the place where the soul springs forth. It is ever so easy to confuse the two places.

The invitation is to look deeper. Be much stiller. Write less. Use words less. Be really clear where you're coming from. Feel the temptation to arise into being and yet despite that, turn back inwards again - keep doing it. Again and again. Then the abode of the absolute will reveal itself.

You also said...

I ain't leaving till we are all home.....I simply will not leave till we are all home.

As commendable and compassionate as this is, what makes you think everyone is going to make it? Where I'm coming from, in my knowing, only a small percentage will actually make it. A soul is by no means eternal. This is often misunderstood. A soul can become eternal but if a soul keeps refusing its destiny, there comes a time for deletion. It is simply the way.

I believe (know) that this is one very important realisation that all souls who progress will have to make. Otherwise, lack of understanding will keep drawing them back.

Chris

Kristian (what a beautiful name). I wasn't expecting your post so thank you. I am aware that that I have some sort of ability to shake things up/get things moving and to be somewhat contrary, which does not particulary make me that popular! I've been following your discussions mainly with Chris. I have not however "intervened" mainly because I havn't found an opening for me to come in. It has, in my opinion, a very ethereal and intellectual quality to it which I do find difficult to connect with at times. I do like to connect of course, so thank you for bringing me back in again. Until next time. Bless your heart. Kat xx

Well, your input is very welcome here We all have unique gifts. Shaking things up in to release that which no longer serves is sometimes necessary - as long as we are coming from a place of authenticity.
Trinity
x

Thank you all for this fascinating page.

Mirrors and distortions make beautiful open doors to the soul, and within other's doorways are mirrors to our own. So my heartfelt thanks for the insight this page has given to my particular 'isness' at this moment in time as it were.

Love to you all.
Michelle

It has, in my opinion, a very ethereal and intellectual quality to it which I do find difficult to connect with at times. I do like to connect of course, so thank you for bringing me back in again.

yes it does, at least in appearance.

If you like to feel more connected then my suggestion is to feel the love within.

If feeling the within love sounds like a broken record, which it does for most people, then focus on the fact that love is not a feeling......you feel love but love is not a feeling......
this will help bring forward an awareness that the love is endless and everywhere.

Hi Kat,

Kristian said...

If you like to feel more connected then my suggestion is to feel the love within.

I totally agree. Our conversations may at times appear to be quite intellectual. However the invitation is to feel between the words. Because words can never truly define the absolute within.

In actual fact, neither can feeling. In my truth, love is a feeling, but even that is not the absolute truth. It is an arising from the absolute.

For me, both intellect and feeling help me connect with the place of the absolute when in the right balance and harmony.

In my truth, the challenge/opportunity is for each to attune their own inner harmony according to their own unique vibration.

In love and light

Chris
PS - you might be interested in the other forum thread covering this topic...

http://www.openhandweb.org/inner_knowing_v_intellect

Hello, I feel the last two posts are laced with subtle judgments, defensiveness and arrogance at best! When I post something, I am not asking to be corrected in any way or to be given advice as to what to do or not to do. I post because I wish to express my truth in that particular moment. I am not on this forum to be "fixed" in any way. I am simply here to share my truth and to listen to others truths. I see enough of this on other so called spiritual forums ...people telling other people what to do or how to think when they havn't even asked for it!!Surely we need to move beyond this and accept people unconditionally, trusting that if they want some advice, they will ask for it. I was not asking for advice and if I do in future, I will make it very clear....

Bless you all. Kat xx

Hi Katerina,

And neither am I..... even if I am really judgemental, defending and arrogant.
You understand of course, I don't wish to be fixed by you either.

From my perspective, you bring awareness to a subtle energy I am having difficulty with on this site.

It is hard to express vulnerablity and gentleness here unless you physically have met the people.
I can sense alot of people have physically met each other.

But what I like about this place is that there alot more people here genuinely looking for direction than there are in giving direction and...those sites are very rare.

It is just difficult though not to get lost within that one way type of current.

Perhaps that is the reason I came here...to stay within my own truth...while opening up to others.

Kristian

Wow! Judgment, defensiveness and arrogance are quite big charges to level at people Kat. Are you sure you really feel that? When I look especially at Kristian's posts and knowing him as I do, I would say his motivations are pure. There's great humility with them and a willingness to explore his own issues as they are revealed. And according to what I'm reading, no one is trying to correct anyone else. That simply doesn't happen on this site. There is simply an honest, open and non-judgmental exploration of each others truth.

As for my own posts, well at the moment, your comments simply do not land. However, I will take it as an opportunity to explore if there are areas where my approach needs to be tuned - thankyou for that opportunity.

I am left wondering why you responded so strongly to posts that appear to be very loving, compassionate and non-judgmental? I wonder what buttons in you got pushed?

Of course, it could be that you were just having a good laugh! In which case

Chris

Hi Katerina,

You began this thread with: "If the truth of who I am is infinite then how do I know when I have awakened to the truth of who I am?. I do not understand. Is there a bottom to it and then something happens after that?"

So we all joined in

"...and then you wrote: "I feel the last two posts are laced with subtle judgments, defensiveness and arrogance at best! When I post something, I am not asking to be corrected in any way or to be given advice as to what to do or not to do."

So I looked...
and looked...

and found this:

Chris wrote: "In my truth, the challenge/opportunity is for each to attune their own inner harmony according to their own unique vibration."

Erm????

and this...

Kristian :angel: wrote: "If you like to feel more connected then my suggestion is to feel the love within.
If feeling the within love sounds like a broken record, which it does for most people, then focus on the fact that love is not a feeling......you feel love but love is not a feeling......
this will help bring forward an awareness that the love is endless and everywhere."

Trinity
x

Geez Trinity....that was some real good looking...

inspirational it was....

My head is now in a spin ...... all the synchroncities through the thread....

I feel puffed....I have to take a sit.....I am not sure but..... I think I have been dancing....

Hi,

I wanted to say something from my own experience:

1. I "suffer" from unasked advice all the time. Here in Israel tact is a very rare thing. Not only that people give you advices with the most knowing voice, as if you're 5 years old, about anything (what you should wear or what you should do), but they also feel it's right to know everything about you. (Of course, I generalize, but majority defines the general tendency).

So, the first thing to discover was that that has nothing to do with me. It's their "property". It's not personal.

Then someone told me, that even if someone tells me how to cook eggs right, despite the fact I didn't ask for advice, it's still a present. Someone wanted to give me something good in his opinion. And even if the goal was to critisize, attack or offence, I can still always try to see it as a present - "Maybe there's something useful for me there". And if not - then I can always forget about it in a second.

And the last one is relevant to other issues also - sometimes when you expect something to happen or afraid something is going to happen, you are in a danger to find it where it is not. Because you're tuned to it, and anything tiny that reminds this something unpleasant you expect can turn fear to something real.

2.So, Katerina said she was suffering from advices in other forums, I guess she was worried the same will happen to her here, so anything that could be interpreted as an advice was interpreted so.

3.In my opinion, even though it sounds a little tough, but nobody in this world cares about anything but himself. And even those, who seem to care about something else, do that only because they feel right to do it, or it makes them feel good, or brave, or kind etc.

I know for example, that I can't see past my own nose, so when I advise something to somebody (and I do so only if I'm asked), I'm talking about myself, and not the other person. MYSELF. And it despite I consider myself compassionate and whatever..

4. It applies to anything else - the reality already exists, it's up to me how to accept it, what to do about it. The same is about these advising people.

So after all these observations I got to deduction that there's nothing to worry about

Hey Kristian,

It feels good that you've dropped soul express and are running now by your true name. I'm pleased for you brother

Chris

Two synchronistic incidents occurred today tied in with this post, though I didn't recognise it immediately. Early-ish this morning one of our neighbours came to the door. We were having some building work doing and he politely asked if the builder could move his van for a minute or two whilst the neighbour got his car out (it's a small road). He even asked the buillder's name and went to ask him personally. So an easy, harmonious interaction occurred.

Then this afternoon (actually when I was reading this post), another neighbour from further up the road came by. She appeared quite angry and complained about a car that belongs to the person I share the house with, overlapping her drive, so it had been hard for her to get out this morning. She explained how inconvenient it was and it appeared that she had been holding the frustration in all morning and really was ready to vent!
I empathised with her, without getting involved in the drama, explained the builder had been etc and the situation was concluded amicably enough.

The interesting thing was that these two situations were quite nice mirrors of each other - the first chap on seeing the road blocked, immediately came to resolve the situation (in a calm and amicable way). The second neighbour, seeing the similar situation didn't respond in the same way, but perhaps invested a little in the "drama" of it. Both responded from an authentic situation and an authentic pull to act, but this was played out in different ways, one appeared (to me) to perhaps be an inappropriate response and the other appeared more authentic. I'm not saying I'm right(!) but that's how it felt. But in fact neither was essentially "right or wrong", in my truth, they just played out in different ways.

That seems to be what is going on here. Everyone here seems to be expressing or at least trying to express their truth. But really no-one is right or wrong, or everyone is. The thing is that in a relative sense no one's truth is the same, as we all view the world through slightly different filters, and therefore what one holds as truth may be in-authenticity to another. Where one may see authenticity another may see distortion etc. Because in order to have a relative experience of ourselves we have to look at the world from individual/unique perspectives, so no one's truth plays out in exactly the same way as another.

But in fact how much does it matter anyway? So what if (in our truth at least) someone appears judgmental or being inauthentic, for example? As we know, the world around us offers a mirror as to how we're being within. So if the image in the mirror does not appear harmonious or induces feelings of disharmony, we may look within to find out why, rather than blame the mirror. All a mirror does is reflect! Yet also that doesn't mean we don't respond at all, rather, having seen our reflected being-ness, to allow a response as authentic as possible.

I feel the key is to be as honest as we can about our filters/distortions etc at all stages of that process (from recognition right through to expression); to see the gift the mirror is offering to us, and then we can allow appropriate responses to flow naturally. Just like my two neighbours, we don't (consciously at least) choose the situation, but we CAN choose our response to it.

And Ben weaves his light in with softness and humility and deftly sums a page up in one beautifully worded paragraph.

"Everyone here seems to be expressing or at least trying to express their truth. But really no-one is right or wrong, or everyone is. The thing is that in a relative sense no one's truth is the same as we all view the world through slightly different filters, and therefore what one holds as truth may be in-authenticity to another. Where one may see authenticity another may see distortion etc. Because in order to have a relative experience of ourselves we have to look at the world from individual/unique perspectives, so no one's truth plays out in exactly the same way as another."

Thank you Ben. xx

For me this discussion is just so wonderful, because we are all so different in so many ways, the beauty of life is that none of us are the same and yet we all come from one split second in eternity. We walk different paths even when it's along the same road, because even when we step into someone else's footprints our feet will always be a different size or shape, therefore whoever's footprints we follow, they and we have to allow for movement of the sole/soul. We can never do something exactly the way someone else did it, because we are not them. And there's the beauty of all of this, we all walk with our own soul.

Wow it posted it twice. There may have been a tad of a need to be heard. Hmm. Lol.

Michelle wrote:- Wow it posted it twice. There may have been a tad of a need to be heard. Hmm. Lol.

No coincidence there Michelle....heard and also seen is my guess...
(see I have managed to release the hidden post above)

You have reminded me now of an enfeeling (a new word:- vision in feeling) I had several years ago.

It was in relation to being awake, a very similar thread to this.

The feeling was like an awareness of a new vibration.....a vibration that felt like a double humour...hum-our....or.... our-hum

In the enfeeling there were like two currents connected to All..an outward and inward..which produced a sort of grounded sense of Humour .... natural underlying feeling of our Humming in all experience.

the vibration mean't the love would never be felt as la la or fluffy love....and the understanding would be never be seen as superior, serious or above.

Instead it would be so difficult not to simply smile....

Feeling the vibration and you would see and feel that everything had a double meaning....in one direction an expression would be seen as one thing or feeling....... in another direction ....looking at it in a mirror (mirror Image) it would have the opposite meaning....

this double humour felt like home .... to see within all things...and be within all feelings.

It is funny...I totally forgot about that enfeeling till now.

Kristian

Enfeeling - I like it Kristian!

And yes, humour (or our-hum as you so aptly put it) is so, so important.

I've so often found the Openhand Team (my expression for the guiding higher consciousness) comes through with humour. Especially when things appear to be getting a little heavy or serious.

Quite often, I find myself holding down laughter when people seem to be getting a little wound-up. It's not lack of compassion though. I still feel bundles of that. It's just laughing at how we can sometimes dramatise things.

So here's to laughter
And if anyone would like to use more smileys in your posts, you can find them here...

http://www.openhandweb.org/smileys

Chris

Hi Kristian,

I was just pondering on this: you wrote: "When someone decides to make a change within themselves that in someway relates with the energy I have expressed...I usually get whammed with released feelings. I am unable to do anything. Usually I can never predict when someone makes a change, but if I am correct here, I believe you can decide at anytime when to release something?"

I'm wondering if you meant that you get whammed with release feelings directed from them as they release? Or your own feelings? Or how you are experiencing this?

Are you moving out of Sweden and back to Ireland or just visiting family for the holiday period? I'll miss you!

Trin
x

I'm wondering if you meant that you get whammed with release feelings directed from them as they release? Or your own feelings? Or how you are experiencing this?

Hi Trinity,

I feel a pull to create a real solid reference here before describing what I mean't. So I am going to talk about dimensions first before answering your question.

When most people think of the All...they imagine everything and nothing being in the All. The All can then be percieved as consisting of every "part of the All" (i.e. things).
What we are talking about here would be third dimensional space where everything and everyone can be found or described using 3 coordinates (length, width and depth) within the space dimension.

Now collapse space and enter the fourth dimension where we have a time coordinate.
What is a good pointer to the All in this dimension?
Well consider the All as sizeless.
For the All to be sizeless, it means everything inside the All is also the All...and everything outside the All is also inside the All. What this then translates to is.....we are all occuping the same space. So anyone who experiences a release or makes a change, we are all experiencing it. It is not a matter of will we experience it, it is more a matter of when (time is the relative component). So if someone went through an experience years ago, we could be going through the same experience right this moment. It would be the same experience occuring in a unique way. So it is not really a case of one person having an experience before another. Two people will have the experience in the same space.....at different points in the time continuum.

Now what happens when time and space are collapsed.... we are all here and now......
How do we point to the All in this 5th dimension.

the All is that which remains unchanged across time and space....
What remains unchanged across time and space is energy.
Energy merely changes form. We are in the here and now in different forms...kinetic, potential, thermal, sound, light, intellectual, spiritual or self conscious energy....all named after the related forces.

If we don't go through the vibration of, for example, anger in one form of energy (i.e. intellectual), it will present itself in another form....a tornado hits the house for example.

Now even though the total energy does not change in time and space, its value will depend on a form of reference. It depends on how we relate to something or someone. If we are feeling 'close' (aware) to someone, we will feel their energy and experience much more than if we are far away (in awareness).

So to go back and answer your question...if someone makes a change that in someway relates to the energy I have expressed....I will experience it too........as if I am occupying the same space and time. I will *be* the same energy....and within that energy we are each *seen* as resonating with a different vibration. Our vibrations arise from the "energy zero point" within the energy.
The different forms of the energy arise from focusing on different speeds of the vibration within the energy.

Are you moving out of Sweden and back to Ireland or just visiting family for the holiday period? I'll miss you!

I am visiting family in Ireland over the Chrismas, then in the new year I am moving to the United States, florida.
I just finished my PhD in social epidemiology...it took me 11 years to get it after starting on the other side of the US in Seattle. I didn't realise when i signed up that it would involve going to live in Sweden for 7 years in isolation to focus on releasing lots of karma.
Now it feels like I am back on track!

You will never miss me...as I am always here.

Dr Kristian

Hmm....I feel like also sharing a recent experience of a shadow before going on.

It is not easy to describe this....so I will first describe how I understand shadows.

When you shine light on an object in the 3rd dimension, the shadow is a 2nd dimensional object
(a separate thing copying the movement of the object)

If you shine light on an 'object' in the 4th dimension, the shadow is a 3rd dimensional object
(i.e a separate " experience" in the mirror of another seen either in the same space and at a different time or seen at the same time in a different space).

If you shine light on an object in the 5th dimension, the shadow is a 4th dimensional object
(i.e a separate identity existing in space and time and copying you in energy form)

I had an experience recently where I got blasted (whammed) by a post an hour before I actually read the post. When I stepped back from the whole experience afterwards I could clearly see that a part of me (unconscious) didn't like what it saw. The post was from a friend who had responed to another post I had written beforehand. I realised from reading my earlier post that an unconscious part of me was involved in writing it.
My friends responding post had a sudden shift in vibration within the energy. The unconscious part of me was caught of guard ...and so I experienced a big shift without knowing why.
When I (the conscious part of me) finally read the post I caught the shadow (separate identity) reacting badly as me in a different time. There was a moment of separation in time...enough to see the identity copying me (energy form) in time and space. Seeing it...helped to release false energy involved ...and close the repeating door.

So what I have been doing on this thread is focusing on the energy and being the same energy as another, while allowing (consciously or unconsciously) a different vibration within the mix of the energy to be detected. So I am getting whammed (the unconscious part of me gets caught in the line of the zero point) again and again whether I am reading the thread or not. I feel uncomfortable in what I am doing and very quickly I am forced to go still and release and realise that a shift is happening.

Kristian

Sometimes it feels as if you talk in encripted code Kristian I guess in a simplified version you are talking about a multideminsional experience in which your centre of consciousness is spanning the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions. In which case you are experiencing everything 'outside of you' as a reflection of your beingness in order that you 'see' exactly what you need to see in order to inspire the evolution of your soul.

My experience is also linear time ceases to exist beyond the 4th dimension. I experienced and understood this fully when I had a near death experience and also during deep meditation. It gradually becomes embodied as we evolve as does 5th dimensional experience.

It's profound that you would personally experience the shift in energy that someone else is making as a result of your own energetic input.

Kristian wrote: "I didn't realise when i signed up that it would involve going to live in Sweden for 7 years in isolation to focus on releasing lots of karma. Now it feels like I am back on track!"

Phew! Congratulations on 'getting back on track again'.

Trin
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Kristian wrote: "If you shine light on an object in the 5th dimension, the shadow is a 4th dimensional object
(i.e a separate identity existing in space and time and copying you in energy form)"

I am going to take this to a new forum thread. This one risks getting seriously off topic :angel:

Go to: http://www.openhandweb.org/there_are_no_shadows_in_the_5th_dimension

Sometimes it feels as if you talk in encripted code Kristian

Yes, I am talking in encripted code.

I can sense that I am sharing it because of how it can be 'used' in helping others through the process

Must go now and catch my flight

Merry Xmas
Kristian

PS Just to clarify..
Everything I have expressed here is from wisdom...not intellectual ideas.
I am using 3D pointers.
Only someone who comes 'close' to my energy here will start to understand the pointers.
My energy is vibrating in a certain way.