I have to say I am aware of the re-enacting DNA discussion, but it all seems kind of surreal to me. I think it can be pretty misleading. So for example, people speak of changing from two-strand DNA to 12 strand (and more). 'Healers' are even offering such DNA re-activations with treatments lasting just 15 minutes!

Let's explore this whole concept for a moment. Imagine you're living in the average brick built 3-bedroomed house that has say 50,000 bricks comprising it. Now imagine you're sitting in the lounge and someone comes along, strips the building apart brick by brick, changes each brick so that it contains six times more material in its structure and then rebuilds the house from the new bricks so that it looks exactly the same. All the while, you, sitting in the lounge, observed no change to the outer building. Doesn't that seem a little dubious? Even more so when you consider the average human 'house' contains not 50,000 'bricks' but 3 Trillion!!! (cells that is).

So are we supposed to believe that all 3 Trillion cells change and yet on the outside hardly anything (if anything) is noticed? I'm happy to consider another (realistic) point of view, but this one just doesn't seem real to me. It feels like a distraction, a blind alley, potentially intended to divert people from the path.

There are no quick fixes on the road of spiritual evolution. And in my view, what we're really reactivating is beyond DNA anyway - they're etheric bodily vehicles of expression as we've described here on the site... Being Human

So I'm happy to be proved wrong, and I look forward to hearing any sensible point of view, but as yet, to me, re-enacting strands of DNA seems pretty unreal.

Chris

This post by "Seagull" has been transferred from the movie thread...

"I too don't "buy" the 12 strand DNA stuff (I have some experience in molecular biology after all) - it doesn't make any sense given the exquisite nature of DNA replication. I think the people that channeled this information are misunderstanding what was given. I could envisage a situation where there is some sort of energetic attunemenet whereby new DNA-like energies are activated in the body (as Chris says). There is an interesting article "A scientific blueprint for Ascenson" on many things including this by David Wilcock (who;'s ideas seem fairly far out, but in many cases, he can back things up with scientific evidence, including the idea that the Universe is fine-tuned to create DNA. See the article at: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep2/wilcock.htm). Also, much of the Ra material "The Law of One" deals with this - probably the most reliable channelled material (along with Jane Roberts and Seth) around. Blessings, Seagull"

This post by "The Other David" has been transferred from the movie thread...

"I must say I belive in the DNA-thing, not the 12-strand-activiation version of it, but the idea that humans will actually mutate somewhat. Evolution seems to go in leaps with huge changes in the DNA of a species ocurring in very short time.

I belive that a good deal of that change will be more epigenetically then genetically. It is proven that meditation and other practices actually activate different genes and de-activate others. There is a lot of research on this since the 70ies and it is an accepted scientific fact. Some of these genes are belived to totally alter our hormones, our brains, our physical wellbeing and our state of consiousness. (where it might also be true that the latter does alter the former)

Also it is proven, that epigenitic changes are inherited to 3 generations to follow. Being exposed to war alters a lot in the DNA, so we have some very real physical form of acenstral karma here. Even though the third generation is not exposed to war, and may even had a peaceful and loving childhood, they still have the changes in their DNA, wich can be removed by therapy, diet, energy work and so forth. So there is a reality in the "healing of ancestral lines" and all that stuff. We really can influence the evolution of mankind by changing our own DNA, and it might even be our responsibility.

Of course the DNA is not the real root, but the energy bodies are and the DNA is more the last part in the chain then the first. Still I imagine a lot of dysfunctional patterns are now just breed out of humanity right now.

Epigentics work through the emotions and the mind. Just as science has now found that we can rewire our brain our whole life, we can also change our DNA. I'd call this conscious evolution. The body more and more becomes a suitable vehicle for the soul.

Also it there is the theory, that DNA works as a sort of antenna and is very sensitive to different frequencies. Some russian scientists claim they can alter DNA just through sound and EMF but I haven't seen any reliable proof for that yet.

I would be very interested in a DNA-Analysis of Indigo children and people beyond gateway 4 and would be pretty sure that we would find some major "mutations" there."

Hi David,

Thanks for your post - yes very interesting - I share much of what you say. I can also see human DNA 'morphing' and evolving. I sense that the deep soul yearning for growth and increasing enlightenment can bring on many changes. Like you though, I just don't see two strand DNA morphing into twelve over short time scales.

For all those interested in this fascinating topic, here's a definition of what DNA is, together with how human cell structure is formed just to show what we're 'playing with' here...

"DNA is a vast chemical information database that carries the complete set of instructions for making all the proteins a cell will ever need. Genes are working subunits of DNA. Each gene contains a particular set of instructions, usually coding for a particular protein.

For a cell to make protein, the information from a gene is copied, base by base, from DNA into new strands of messenger RNA (mRNA). Then mRNA travels out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm, to cell organelles called ribosomes. There, mRNA directs the assembly of amino acids that fold into completed protein molecule."

Taken from: http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/NIH/gene03.php

Chris

Firstly, it is absolutely great to see a discussion like this about science on a spiritual web site! I agree 100% with David's synopsis! Epigenetics is turning out to be hugely important in many aspects of cell biology. For more on this, you might be interested to read The Biology of Belief by Dr Bruce Lipton a former cell biologist.

Epigenetics moves beyond the so-called Neo-Darwin paradigm promoted by Dawkins et al that we are victims of our genes and that there is nothing we can do about it! Also, the media is at work in this area...although there are undoubted connections between certain genes, changes in nucleotide sequences therein and certain diseases, it is the case that through epigenetics we can overcome such problems (the quality of our thoughts/feelings modifies our DNA). I have now taken to trying to empower my biology students in my Genetics and Behaviour lectures about this - we are not victims of our genes. I also agree with David about quantum leaps in evolution (I posted up something on this on the Revolution Vs Evolution thread) - it's called punctuated equilibrium - evolution occurs relatively rapidly (in geological time) and a new species evolves from, but does not immediately replace, an existing species e.g. Homo sapiens to Homo spiritus?

Finally, since the human genome project showed that we actually have the same number of genes as friutflies (we share many of the same genes) - around 30,000 - it is obvious that epigenetic changes along with the ability to make many proteins from the same gene (by alternative exon splicing) is the way nature does it.

Only about 5% of the entire human genome encodes for protein and then maybe another 5% encodes for regulatory sequences That means that scientists can find no function for at least 90% of the DNA and call it "junk" (it seems to be a similar fix as the phycicists use regarding "dark matter" to fudge the difficult to explain!). The point is that we don't have to envisage an activation of 12 strands (while acknowledging the possibility that additional strands are metaphorical and/or that those strands are made of pure energy), we just have to activate whatever capabilities are suppressed/hidden within our non-protein coding (so-called "junk"; hate that term ) DNA.

Interestingly there is channeled material (e,g, Pamela Kribbe - Lightworker series; jeshua.net) that says that we light workers had a lot to do in times gone by with modifying the DNA of the Earth souls (when we were tasked with aiding in their evolution) and we now have to process that karma.

The Other David wrote: "I would be very interested in a DNA-Analysis of Indigo children and people beyond gateway 4 and would be pretty sure that we would find some major "mutations" there."

I've been meaning to post on this thread. I resonated with your post David, so thank you for sharing. I don't find myself getting into the science of it, although the subject is fascinating. I sense a difference between people as if there are two different worlds. There has been a new wave of souls incarnating over recent generations, with a 'new' consciousness (Indigo's would fall into this group)...

I see energy and notice that the energy field between those with the new consciousness and those with the 'old' consciousness is radically different (it is as if there are different species, like a horse and a wild cat for instance). I get the sense that this relates somehow to what you were saying about DNA.

Trinity
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Seagull wrote: "Interestingly there is channeled material (e,g, Pamela Kribbe - Lightworker series; jeshua.net) that says that we light workers had a lot to do in times gone by with modifying the DNA of the Earth souls (when we were tasked with aiding in their evolution) and we now have to process that karma."

Hi Seagull,
I have past life memories of quite detailed human genetic engineering. Sadly we see the effects of it in humanity to this day. What I saw wasn't benevolent though. I mean, not Lightworkers in the altruistic sense. There has been lots of interference here, often claiming to be from the 'Light', some slightly awry and others very dark in nature. It's all very educational though. The question I ask is 'can we find our true, authentic beingness no matter what has happened?' The moment of truth is now.
Trinity
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Yes I too have direct past life memories of the 'intervention' - it was not pretty!

Chris

1. In Elisabeth Haich's book Initiation it is told about 'higher' race breeding with what I understand as cro-magnons, before they leave the Earth, in order to make it possible for them to ascend in the future. I guess it could be related to as some kind of DNA modification, if it happened?

2. Also... it is known nowadays that engineered soy can modify DNA in a sterilizing way (leaving people unable to bring children). It brought me to the idea, that it might be not accidental, taking into account the over-population and even demographic explosions here and there on Earth. And this is not the only 'reducing population' trick, as in many countries people simply don't want to have children, add suicide statistics, people dying in natural disasters, and many other pieces of information...All this brought me to see it as a population regulating mechanism.

So, genetically engineered soy does definitely NOT sound so benevolent to me, but I just can't ignore the fact that it is only one of the leverages in some pretty general engine with a specific target.

So, maybe these non-benevolent interventions have similar effect, they still serve THE purpose in a non-benevolent way?

Again, I just can't not see it everywhere - that there is no 'good' or 'bad', because I somehow get the feeling, maybe it's only me, that "if benevolent, then good :); if not benevolent, then bad :(" But actually, I feel more 'comfortable on the inside when I give it some scientific 'labels', like - dissipation, or friction, or contra-force (to actually help move forwards by resistance), something like that?

This is why I LOVE science - how I can just look on any system, any process, without judging it, exploring it without prejudice, just as it is, see the truth beyond expectations, and just try to say what I see/saw in the most objective way I can.If I could only look at myself this way heeheehee

By the way, I have the same feeling about "false self", it somehow has a bit of a negativity in it at least because of its name, you know, something bad, something to get rid of, and even though "we don't judge it and don't get rid of it", still the word "false"...

Maybe "confused self"? or "self who thought it is self, but discovered it is not the only self and now it is very embarassed"?

I agree, that the latter is too long for a short nickname

The idea is that I always feel the same when I read something like "it's not benevolent".

But doesn't it all serve the same purpose after all? this is how I see it, but maybe I'm "wrong"...the "false self" is ruining!

Hi Yulia,

I don't see benevolent as 'good' and malevolent as 'bad'. I see that benevolence is something I feel innately within me, something I am naturally aligned with and non-benevolence something that I am not.

Perhaps it is not about judging non-benevolence but rather feeling if it something that we resonate with. Just because malevolence achieves a particular aim, it doesn't mean that we have to resonate with it either.

Just because we don't resonate with something, it doesn't mean we are judging it.

Yulia wrote "By the way, I have the same feeling about "false self", it somehow has a bit of a negativity in it at least because of its name, you know, something bad, something to get rid of, and even though "we don't judge it and don't get rid of it", still the word "false"...

I see it slightly differently. The 'false' self is something that falls away as we move through the evolutionary process. It isn't 'bad' or something to be rid of. There comes a time when we discover who we truly are and it doesn't serve our journey of evolution any more. I can't ever remember trying to get rid of my 'false self' - I only remember finding the deepest upwelling from my soul that unveiled my true self, allowing that which was done to fall away.

Trinity
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I wholeheartedly agree Trin.

For me the false self wasn't 'bad' either. I saw it more as a target. How so? The True Self can only be 'seen' by what it is not. So the false self shows us everything we can be.

Here's a clipping from Five Gateways...

"It is metaphored wonderfully for us in the place of all clear answers - Mother Nature. Consider the Kingfisher; since light refracts (bends) when it leaves the surface of water, the Kingfisher never actually sees the exact location of the fish. It simply heads for the image but knows at some point, that it must step off its trajectory and delve completely into the unknown. Ignoring the image itself - the illusionary reality - it dives through the surface into absolute truth, whereupon its goal is finally realised."

Chris

I was just talking about the effect of words, how these things are called, and then what effect this and that word makes on me. I didn't mean there IS some meaning behind it

But I'll think on that one, why I feel uncomfortable with these specific 'words'...

Love ya

And in turn, the 'effect' they make on you ripples outwards and come full circle

...but I begin to 'get used to' this effect ;D

After some confusion comes the laughter hhhh

Funny

I didn't really grasp this until this new year (2012), and it’s still a bit fuzzy! Yesterday I came across the 1st book of the 'Voyagers' series, which I acquired many, many moons ago, and in it she talks about the phenomenon of DNA & evolution. Put very, very simply (simplicity is not one of her strengths!) - as the soul infuses through us, it unlocks codes in our (junk) DNA that raise our sensitivities and help us evolve. ?? It's interesting, but for me, right now, it feels it could become a distraction and the focus is what happens now, tomorrow, soon, rather than x million years ago!

Becky x