Small Talk & Being a Human

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I would like to hear people’s thoughts on these two (related?) things…

Small Talk
I’ve encountered a number of people on their spiritual path, and practising meditations etc. who disconnect with the world around them and from other people too.

I have noticed two different manifestations of this -
One is a kind of bewilderment by the world around. Every small thing disturbs them. They become rather intolerant. A symptom maybe of hyper-sensitivity.
I particularly remember noticing this when I was staying in a town where there was a nearby Vipasana retreat. The groups from the retreat would come back to the town after their 10 days and had a lot of difficulty operating in day to day life.

I don’t know about Vipasana because I’ve never done it before, but it made me think that even if people have really profound experiences with this, it does not seem very helpful for integrating it into their lives. Like being given a big dose of spirituality and having no clue what to do with it!

The other manifestation I noticed is this -

A friend of a friend once said “If someone tries to make small talk with me, I just ignore them”.

We had some people stay over at our house on their way to Buddhafields. I was cooking dinner for everyone, and one guy came and just stood in the kitchen without saying anything. So I asked his name, introduced myself etc trying to be friendly (since he was staying in my home). My conversation was met by monosyllabic responses. I found this really odd… and quite rude actually.

Maybe I am passing judgement, so I am at fault, but I don’t think this is a very nice attitude. I have noticed that some people feel that their spirituality makes them superior to others.

In my own feeling, it is really wrong to ignore someone, or to treat any other human being like this… it’s as if the other person is not worthy of your presence.

I really respect that we all have different experiences and different paths, but I cannot relate to this attitude because the more I feel my own spirituality growing, the more warmth I feel for other people. I think people we meet and interact with are a blessing… and the challenging ones are our teachers.

Being a Human
This is the second topic I would like to hear people’s thoughts on -

So many spiritual teachings and practices put people’s attention on the self, but my own feeling is that we do not exist just for the cultivation of ourselves and our own enlightenment. Imagine if every person on this planet was just concerned with themselves, and their own attainment of enlightenment… so we did not interact with each other. No laughing, no sharing, no charity… none of all those things that make us human beings. Of course we are all eternal spiritual beings too, but right now we are existing on Planet Earth as human beings... and that is not without purpose. I don’t believe that we are supposed to disconnect from our human-ness and try to live in the spiritual realms right now. There’s lots of time for that. There is nothing wrong with human-ness. Why do people wish to deny it? Why not we embrace our common human-ness and not try to reject that aspect of ourselves and of others?

I hope it doesn’t sound too extreme, but sometimes I think that spiritual work can creating a kind of narcissism within some people?

Really interested to hear people’s thoughts..!

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On Being fully Human

Lots of food for thought on both questions.

To me, it feels as if I have incarnated here in human form and the invitation completely at one with it. To me 'enlightenment' is found in the every day moments. It is found in interaction with people, washing the dishes, gardening and especially all the places where I might feel restricted and uncomfortable. The key for me is not to run away but to find myself through ALL things.

Everyone has a unique path. I know there are benefits for some to remove themselves from the world that pulls them out of alignment with their authentic beingness. But the question is - can they integrate that experiece back into the experience of human beingness. Unless we can reintegrate then the experience is isolated.

    Haule wrote: "There is nothing wrong with human-ness. Why do people wish to deny it?

Being fully human is the and embracing all the gifts of beingness therein is a most challenging experience for people. It is much easier to remove oneself from it and imagine that transcendence equates to enlightenment. This is what people have been taught for aeons from many doctrines. It is easy to find an enlightened state removed from society. It is much more challenging to find enlightenment through all things.

Trinity
xxx

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Small talk and chit chat

I don't do small talk Smile Although I am not rude either. For me, I either feel a soul connection with another or I don't. If I don't then I may exchange a few friendly words of greeting - although having said that I wouldn't normally feel inclined make further chit chat. To me chit chat feels like being imprisoned in a meaningless conversation that doesn't serve either parties. I find purpose in being polite. Yet, I don't find purpose in talking for the sake of filling the space. There is a fine balance.

Having said that, I don't usually find myself sharing space with another unless there is a deeper meaning to it.

I might guess that you are being invited to look at your own discomfort with situations like the 'silent man' in your house. Can we really accept each other for who we are without judgement?

Perhaps you were even being invited to be honest with him about how you were feeling. Maybe that would have opened up a worthwhile exploration and discussion.

I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago. I felt no judgement towards that person, yet the energy just wasn't working for me. So I called him on it and was honest about how the situation made me feel. It wasn't targeted at him - I took owenership of my own stuff. Yet I shared. You know what happened then? The energy shifted he found a more social way of being as a result.

The thing is. I didn't 'need' him to change. When I shared, I wasn't trying to alter his persona in some way. I just felt a soulful impulse to be honest with him because his energy was invading my space (in the same way this 'silent guy' seemed to be doing for you). My honesty invited him to look deeper within. A veil of illusion fell. He could clearly see that there was more sensitive approach within him yearning to be unveiled. Well that is the nutshell version anyway, the essence of what happened.

To me, it's about honouring our uniqueness without judgement and helping one another to find a more authentic expression of human beingness. One of the most helpful ways to do this is to find our own authenticy and let it act as a mirror.

If we are not seeking a situation to be another way, then deep realisations tend to unfold.

Trinity
xxx

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Thank you

for this thread and the comments, it all is very relevant to me now.

I am going to go outside today, and it seems as if I have never been outside before, this is how I feel. How am I going to deal with it all? How am I going to communicate? How will I make it? How not to be bewildered and enclosed within myself, how to open, feel, harmonize and find some miraculous way to communicate, but also not to lose myself, not to be dissipated, to keep aligned (and furthermore effortlessly), recenter, find balance every moment...

Wow, what a challenge! - all this human experience... this is crazy.

It feels to me as if it is going to be another 'sweat-lodge' experience, the only way to survive is to surrender, get into the feelings and be navigate the energies inside and now also to be sensitive to the energies outside.

So maybe I will have something to share today about chit-chatting and small talk after coming back from the 'battle'-field, but at the moment the advice I am getting from the guidance is to feel in the moment. There is no right or wrong, or should do's.

Maybe I will feel like light chit-chat with somebody specific, maybe some more deep conversation with somebody else, and maybe I will feel like 'move away from this one' not because rejection, judgment, feeling uncomfortable or something like that, but a simple pull away or will just feel that something feels as odds, like 'empty', 'nothing to do here, move on'.

So it seems the message is that it is not something to decide theoretically in advance, but to live it in the moment.

And while I agree and feel that I am here to experience this human-being, so total isolation and rejecting the society, people and life outside don't really serve this purpose, but also getting TOO 'human' would definitely bring me down, because deep inside I don't feel so belong. So it is again about balance and feeling out. When to poke my nose out of the hole and when to go back inwards.

Beautiful day to all,
Yulia