Hi Lei,

My personal advice would be not to get too in the head about all this. If I may say so, there's a risk of this happening already.

From my perspective it is much better simply to walk the path and have it all unfold. Otherwise, if we're already intellectualising too much, then when we make profound discoveries the risk is the mind will own it and we'll not be sure if we actually experienced it in the first place!

Even with the Five Gateways there was this risk. But right now, there's simply so much information out there, it feels like benevolence felt to give some quite definitive guidance for that part of the journey at least.

So my advice would be to feel it and let it all unfold.

With very best wishes

Chris

I find it fascinating that someone who feels that they are 'pre-awakened' would conceive of such questions

How did you come upon the spiritual Path lei?

With Love
Trinity

Hi Chris,

From my perspective it is much better simply to walk the path and have it all unfold. Otherwise, if we're already intellectualising too much, then when we make profound discoveries the risk is the mind will own itt and we'll not be sure if we actually experienced it in the first place!

somehow you always tend to say the right things I need to hear, so this time I won't get an answer.

How did you come upon the spiritual Path lei?

I started to have existential fears since a very young age, maybe around 6 or 7. I was really worried everything around me was really just an illusion, I always found myself unsettled because I couldn't make sense of the world around me. But I think it was reading Carl Jung's writing really opened the floodgate for me, but I was first introduced to Carl Jung's work through Donald Trump's book 'How to get rich'!

with love,

Lei

Lei you said

but it seems that even enlightened souls incarnating here also have to first go through a lost period before realizing itself.

This may not be a massive realisation, but your comment bought to mind a film I saw many moons ago, no idea when or what it was called im afraid. where a man died I think in a freak accident and was so desperate to get back to his 'darling' that he jumped the queue for the 'forgetting injection' and was born so "they" had to chase him down through his next life and inject him then so he could have a full life in the one he was experiencing now instead of harking back to when he had this wonderful love in his previous existence!!! Funny old world hey??!!

Watching the unfolding can be a challenge and fun at the same time, I did think at first I was pre awakening on the summer retreat I fully believed it at first, gradually that changed and then I got back to the "real" life I was living and decided there was no pre about it!! Hold the faith Lei it is good to let it flow

Love Kerry

Hi Kerry,

Thanks for the story! I can barely imagine I had a past life, maybe I was another species altogher, but this human experience is a little strange to me.

I only thought I was in the pre-awakened state because I never had a profound awakening experience, like the unity experience Chris had during the car crash. I do think such an experience would be tremendously beneficial to me for I'd have a great reference point for deeper understanding.

best wishes,

Lei

Hi to all,

In one of your recent posts, Chris you made the following statement:
“Contrary to popular belief, all souls are NOT eternal” and then went on to say that:

“There comes a point when it is simply not productive to keep going around the cycle without progressing. There is a process which then reintegrates such 'stuck souls' back into the source. They are dissolved out”.

What these views immediately triggered for me was an intense feeling of sadness linked to multiple family bereavements; times when I have been troubled by the anguish of not knowing (or subsequently sensing up to this day) if their souls lived on beyond the grave. And from there a relatively small step to a deep fear of my own mortality, although I can see that this also provides a testing ground for me (and others, if they so wish) to explore innermost beliefs and convictions (which may or may not be founded on religious doctrines or principles), and also an opportunity for self realisation.

I was then reminded of a comment you made in a much older thread about ‘Meditation and Out of Body Experiences’ back in 2008, which goes as follows:

“When we are able to grasp this truth and actually experience the Oneness, we realise that we are actually beyond the separation - beyond the physical Universe; that we can't die or go anywhere because we exist everywhere; that nothing can truly harm us or cause us pain unless we allow it to happen because we are attached to the experience of pain”.

Such a stark contrast between the two outcomes (perhaps not the right word) it would seem. Is the sense you get that the cycle of stuck souls is becoming non-productive linked to the movement towards a higher vibrational paradigm, or some other influence? I’m wondering how might a decision be reached about it no longer being appropriate for an individual or collective group of souls to reincarnate once again, and is it God (or in his presence) that the ultimate judgment is made? But that presumes God is an entity rather than a pure presence within us all, if we choose to truly remember who we are and embrace the continuing journey?

I can sense wanting to be reassured about the fate of loved ones, as ‘dissolved out’ sounds so final and conjures up images of ceasing to exist altogether (unless there is an alternative meaning of rejoining the source). What might you say to someone recently bereaved in this situation, without seeking to dilute or distort the truth of what you passionately believe?

Something else I noticed was the distinction you made between ‘eternal’ and ‘immortal’ souls:

“Yet to continue to live is an absolute blessing. I chose to stay. In staying, I find it in my heart to help people continue to progress and become eternal - to experience eternal blessing. So in answer to your question, although it is destined for each soul to become immortal, that doesn't stop people from denying their destiny. It happens all the time”.

I guess my previous experience of these two terms is that they have been used interchangeably to mean the same thing, although I can see the distinction you are making. I’m wondering, could you expand a bit on the difference between the two in the context of soul journeys? For example, in some religions there is the overarching concept of eternity whether it is continually spent in heaven or hell.

Finally, I’ve just remembered a recurring dream about a ‘rescue’ cat I cared for a number of years who died prematurely. The theme was an overwhelming sense of life eternal:

Before long, something magical began to unfold
Strange and wonderful glimpses of a forgotten cat
For I have seen your feline form in many a dream
Felt your presence rising to the surface beyond the grave
Freed from bodily constraints, I now know your soul lives on
What a revelation! This is truly a moment to rejoice, rejoice!

Love and best wishes,

Andy C

Hi Andy,

“There comes a point when it is simply not productive to keep going around the cycle without progressing. There is a process which then reintegrates such 'stuck souls' back into the source. They are dissolved out”.

I have considered this possibility before. To me this seems reasonable and it resonates with what I believe to be true. Although I'd like to better understand the soul's journey, the question of whether a soul is ultimately eternal or not is not so important to me. If a soul gets stuck seemingly for eternity it's probably better to dissolve it and get it out of suffering. Even if a soul is dissolved, the universe is still there and the consciousness is still there and that's enough for me to know. And from this perspective, nothing really dies because awareness cannot die, it's all just a transformation! as soon as a soul is integrated back to the source it becomes pure presence, then the next moment, boom!! it starts its journey again as a new soul and this time it will probably have a much better chance to succeed in becoming eternal!

Is the sense you get that the cycle of stuck souls is becoming non-productive linked to the movement towards a higher vibrational paradigm, or some other influence? I’m wondering how might a decision be reached about it no longer being appropriate for an individual or collective group of souls to reincarnate once again, and is it God (or in his presence) that the ultimate judgment is made? But that presumes God is an entity rather than a pure presence within us all, if we choose to truly remember who we are and embrace the continuing journey?

To me the personality is really an illusion, and when one surrenders his/her personal will one realizes that everything that has ever happened and will ever happen is an result of the will of the divine. The divine will is to move the universe into ever higher harmony, and anything contradict to that will have to be resolved somehow, and thus dissolving the stuck souls.

my understanding is rather limited, this is about the most I can offer on this topic ,)

with love,

Lei

Thanks Andy,

I too felt this question might be explored further so great that you ask it.

So for those just joining the thread, let me state again, from my direct personal experience, all souls are NOT immortal/eternal by 'birthright', but evolve to that place.

Having said that, let me also add, as with everything, my reality is always open to change.

In response to this you said...

"What these views immediately triggered for me was an intense feeling of sadness linked to multiple family bereavements; times when I have been troubled by the anguish of not knowing (or subsequently sensing up to this day) if their souls lived on beyond the grave."

I would say gauging from your words and feeling intuitively, that you have your own attachment in relation to this, something to be processed, worked through and integrated. Yes, I too feel a deep sense of sadness at this, but having directly confronted the issue many times on many levels, for some time I have no longer had attachment to it.

You go on to quote me as previously saying...

"When we are able to grasp this truth and actually experience the Oneness, we realise that we are actually beyond the separation - beyond the physical Universe; that we can't die or go anywhere because we exist everywhere; that nothing can truly harm us or cause us pain unless we allow it to happen because we are attached to the experience of pain."

To me this is no contrast at all to what I'm saying, but in fact entirely complementary. We are invited to move beyond the world of black and white truth and into the realm of paradox. Although you experience yourself and your loved ones as souls, you are not souls. You are that which souls arise from. You are that which is beyond being altogether. You are the absolute and it is this which exists everywhere and cannot be harmed at all.

And yet of course here's where we slip into the realm of paradox - back into the realm of perceived duality. We've been blessed with the universe of the relative - "this" in relation to "that". It happened, not by design, but was inevitable and we are truly blessed to be experiencing it.

Souls are the absolute experienced (accept the absolute cannot be completely experienced, one hundred percent). Without souls, there would be no experience. How sad would that be? So it is an innate part of beingness that when souls come into being and the absolute is experienced (almost), that this experience should be cherished, deeply cherished, indeed profoundly cherished. To me, that is the very intrinsic nature of soul which generates the feeling of compassion.

In my reality, the universe is moving to every finer states of perfection. A perfection where a dynamic equilibrium can be held through eternity - it is an internal equilibrium between unity and separation, experienced in you as the equilibrium that can be attained between soul and bodymind. When all life in this universe achieves that state of equilibrium then we have the state of nirvana which in my truth is real and possible. I feel my soul yearning for it. It is where there is a continual experience of the absolute (almost) in a myriad of form and without attachment or suffering.

Paradoxically though, this nirvanic state is not a static status quo, it too is continually evolving to finer and finer states of perfection. It is continually being regulated by highly evolved consciousness and it's evolution continually facilitated. Kind of like Gaia benevolently regulates the eco-systems of earth. I'll return to this 'benevolent regulation' in a moment.

So to another of your questions...

"I’m wondering how might a decision be reached about it no longer being appropriate for an individual or collective group of souls to reincarnate once again, and is it God (or in his presence) that the ultimate judgment is made?"

Firstly, a soul makes its own choice for 'dissolution'. There is absolutely no attachment to this. Just the realisation that its purpose for being - continual evolutionary growth - is not being fulfilled and then rather than cause the rest of the universe to suffer because of that lack of progress, better to dissolve back into the source (again, I offer the view from direct personal experience). This dynamic is being mirrored strongly right now here on earth where many human souls are reincarnating because they realise their presence has not been to the good of all life on the planet. We're here working to restore the equilibrium within ourselves to assist the outer equilibrium.

Finally to me, God is the absolute. But when many people speak of 'God', in my knowing, what they feel they're referring to is some kind of benevolent being that created all of this and in some sense is the 'overseer' of it.

I might surprise a few people here... I can actually relate to this other view of God also, but not as a creator, more as an 'overseer'. In my reality, at the centre of our universe are a group of nine perfected aspects of consciousness - although the word 'being' is entirely inaccurate, our minds might need that metaphor by which to grasp at their nature.

Seven are the overseers ('Kohans' - although the word has been much misused) of the seven rays of divine impulse I often speak of on this site. You may hear them in spiritual circles referred to as "The Council of Nine" but to me (and them) this is a grossly distorted view of the truth (at least in my reality).

They act individually and as one. They do not sit in judgment over any thing or anyone. Their purpose is not to manipulate or control, in fact they intervene as little as possible and only when they experience a collective yearning from a group of souls - that's why they're currently intimately involved in our Ascension - because it has been yearned for by humanity for over 12,000 years.

This group act as catalysts to facilitate the natural movement of the universe to the perfected nirvanic state I speak of. They do this by acting as a mirror and it is in this mirror that a soul may choose its own deletion. Imagine, metaphorically speaking, a pool of openness at the "centre" of our universe presided over by the group of nine. A soul may look into the pool feel its own reflection and choose to slip back into infinite peace. This is the process I have witnessed. It is profoundly moving and beautiful.

Finally, when I refer to "Openhand", I am actually referring to the group of nine. It is the name I know them to go by.

Chris

Hey Lei the bit I was referring to as a past life was before I met the open handers who made sense of things with me. They didn't do it for me, they asked me some questions to ask myself and the answers became clear to me in a way I had never felt on the inside before.

I became more authentic with my thoughts and feelings after the summer retreat, I still am aware of the feelings linking back to that time before and sometimes I even action like I did before and then realise where I am going down the path is not completely true action. I have new purpose now and more awareness of myself and I listen to the guidance of the universe more.

I didn't as you say have a magnitude of change in the form of a car crash, but then I am not Chris so my journey is far different from his as it is from yours. My personal journey has been turbulent to say the least with great opposition from the opposing consciousness desperate to drag me back under its control and unfortunately for me I let it happen.

Now I can say I see the path becoming clearer to me, my path is being swept clear for me to see it, so I have at least my toes on it and everyday I feel I am getting more drawn to my path as it reveals itself to me.

Awake I beleive you must be, in my opinion anyway!! And as I saw Trinity write how if you are pre awake can you be feeling to ask these questions??

Love Kerry

Hi Kerry,

I find your words encouraging and inspiring! I can see myself getting drawn to this path more and more by the day, but it does requite a great deal of courage to fully commit to it. I've been pondering how I can make this commitment over the past few days.

My own path has been pretty much a slow and gradual unfolding, nothing too exciting. I do feel though I don't have anything very dark to be resolved in me. I had some very strong attachments when I was younger, now looking back I'm quite surprised how much I've let go of them already!

Great you were able to attend the retreat and meet Chris and Trinity! I wish I was still in the UK, maybe I'll make my way back to the west someday!

much love,

Lei

Hi Chris,

I only had the patience to sit down and read your response last night, wow! what a fascinating post!

Again I'm intrigued to ask many questions.

you say ..
In my reality, the universe is moving to every finer states of perfection. A perfection where a dynamic equilibrium can be held through eternity - it is an internal equilibrium between unity and separation, experienced in you as the equilibrium that can be attained between soul and bodymind. When all life in this universe achieves that state of equilibrium then we have the state of nirvana which in my truth is real and possible. I feel my soul yearning for it. It is where there is a continual experience of the absolute (almost) in a myriad of form and without attachment or suffering.

Paradoxically though, this nirvanic state is not a static status quo, it too is continually evolving to finer and finer states of perfection. It is continually being regulated by highly evolved consciousness and it's evolution continually facilitated. Kind of like Gaia benevolently regulates the eco-systems of earth.

This is exactly the possibility we were discussing in the motivation for awakening thread. I've been pondering about this for some time, it feels so reassuring to know there is indeed this ultimate impulse in the universe. but when you say - A perfection where a dynamic equilibrium can be held through eternity, do you also mean an equilibrium hold in this third dimensional space-time reality for the infinite future?? I can only imagine this perfection might be reached for a period then get disrupted again because of the constant outwards flow of separation consciousness. To me, it seems an eternity of past (or an infinite period of past) has already happened and an infinite future is awaiting us (at least in this time-space reality), if an infinite past has already happened and we still have not achieved this eternal nirvana, how is it possible we'll ever achieve this in the future? I've never experienced higher dimensional eternity and find it impossible to conceive of this possibility with my linear & dualistic way of thinking, please enlighten me on this!

In your interview with Sein, you mentioned that after your awakening you realized that you had ascended before and but decided to come back to re-experience it and teach it to others. And then you also mentioned in a previous post that you once reached a point where you didn't mind to be deleted, but eventually decided to stay and help others. I'm glad you made the decision to stay! but suppose you did decide to be deleted at the time and you would not be here now, but you were already ascended and were eternal, how does this work? or maybe it is only an aspect of your higher self that is incarnated here, so no matter what happens to the incarnated personality the higher self would always exist, but then everyone has a higher self and every soul would be eternal, right?

Also what is the difference between a choice for 'dissolution' and a choice for suicide?

This dynamic is being mirrored strongly right now here on earth where many human souls are reincarnating because they realise their presence has not been to the good of all life on the planet. We're here working to restore the equilibrium within ourselves to assist the outer equilibrium.

From one perspective I see the reason we have so many people here on earth is that we are in the midst of a rapid change, and this affords the souls incarnating here the possibility for the greatest transformation. but in one post you also mentioned: I see human population radically reducing in numbers towards the middle and end of the century (way below 1 billion people). If this were true, it would seem rather pointless for most souls to incarnate at this time, and yet the global population is still on the rise. Don't souls have freewill to decide when and where to incarnate? I do feel though my soul had specifically chosen to incarnate in China and at a specific time, but knowing what I now know if I could go back in time to remake that choice, I'd definitely prefer to incarnate in the western world with the easy access to all the information and the support of like minded people, the path would unfold much easier for me!

When you say God is the absolute, what do you mean by the absolute? do you mean the pure presence, the seer of all things? Why can't God be the totality - both the pure presence and the manifested universe? is it because the manifested universe also comes out of the pure presence?

So it is an innate part of beingness that when souls come into being and the absolute is experienced (almost), that this experience should be cherished, deeply cherished, indeed profoundly cherished.

This reminded me a quote from Kahlil Gibran, "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity, and you are the mirror."

In my reality, at the centre of our universe are a group of nine perfected aspects of consciousness - although the word 'being' is entirely inaccurate, our minds might need that metaphor by which to grasp at their nature.

I know a lady who channels a group consciousness called 'the white winged collective consciousness of nine', maybe it's the same thing you're referring to here. She's put up lots of wonderful channelled messages on her youtube channel, I feel many of them resonate with what you have talked about. http://www.youtube.com/user/MagentaPixie2012

Sorry for the many questions!

with much love,

Lei

Hi Lei,

Well it goes deeper!

You ask...

"A perfection where a dynamic equilibrium can be held through eternity, do you also mean an equilibrium hold in this third dimensional space-time reality for the infinite future??

Essentially yes. I see a 'nirvanic equilibrium' possible in the Third Dimension also. But it may take a great deal of time to get there (in a linear sense). But I don't see infinite future. I see space time continuum where anything is possible but some things are more probable than others. So although I feel aligned to a movement to nirvana for the universe, I can't see if that is eternal because that future does not yet exist for me.

You then ask...

"I can only imagine this perfection might be reached for a period then get disrupted again because of the constant outwards flow of separation consciousness."

But the outward flow is always being counterbalanced by the inward flow. It's just the continual imbalance between the two causes the disruption. As the imbalances are ironed out in all forms, then ultimately, there is the possibility of nirvana in this plane too. But much karma has to be unwound first.

To me this is the function of a Black Hole. Firstly, the moment light spreads outwards from the point of singularity, there is already the black hole drawing back in. Certain forms evolve - planets for example - and are balanced in a particular, but unstable, energetic equilibrium. The equilibrium collapses, the energy is released, and the separation consciousness is ultimately drawn back into the singularity.

Any forms of unity - souls for example - attaching to the separation are drawn into the black hole and obliterated along with everything else. Singularity is reached once more and on the 'other side of the black hole' the whole process begins again. A black hole therefore is just like a universal 'washing machine' ensuring the karma held within separation consciousness does not continue to create unstable forms. The process continues until energetic harmony is found.

You ask about the possibility of dwindling human population...

If this were true, it would seem rather pointless for most souls to incarnate at this time, and yet the global population is still on the rise. Don't souls have freewill to decide when and where to incarnate?

You're speaking as if you believe in some kind of planned design? And as if the soul is an identity making a choice. But ALL choice is an illusion. Even when a person is in their false self, choices happen because of a complex set of conditioned behaviours being activated. And when in the soul, there is simply a flow. Things happen in the universe based on key characteristics - essentially all arising from one very simple dynamic: the flow outwards to separation and the flow inwards to unity. To my mind, everything can be explained in these basic terms. Even the most sophisticated of evolutionary forms.

The human population has soared not because of some plan for enlightenment. In my truth the OPPOSITE is true. An imbalance has been created by an intention - an intention to hold in place a certain status quo - a matrix of control. But since the matrix is in place and human beings continue to be born, there is no choice but for unity consciousness to 'populate' those beings. But that doesn't make it Right Action (an action aligned with the natural universal flow).

And your soul did not 'chose' the circumstances of your life (as is often quoted in spiritual circles). Imagine before your incarnation being held in the fourth dimension, weighed down by the ballast of your karma. When the conditions and timing are right, you begin to descend into form. Your karma is like a consciousness key 'looking' for it's corresponding lock (to me this is the law of attraction and is entirely natural and unplanned). It may then feel like everything has been 'set up for you' because of the synchronicities that happen - but they happen because you're now discovering the unity consciousness in your life which is orchestrating your movement back to a higher co-creative harmony. Since in your mind you are experiencing reality behind the flow (you're living in the past) but then able to 'guess' the future because you're actually tapping into higher mind and therefore the present, you think the future is preplanned!!! (isn't that amusing!).

You ask...

"When you say God is the absolute, what do you mean by the absolute? do you mean the pure presence, the seer of all things? Why can't God be the totality - both the pure presence and the manifested universe? is it because the manifested universe also comes out of the pure presence?

I'd say yes to all of this. However I'd encourage you to think more in paradox than definite this and that truths. So you simply cannot define God as the totality because you can only define something by what it is not. So you can't really define God. It can only be experienced as a non experience. Having said that, of course we all use 'models' to help us drop through mind and into experience.

I'm given to encourage you to explore a more sophisticated model. I'd say rather than speaking of God as separated between pure presence and manifested universe, try contemplating them as integrated, in a dynamic flowing equilibrium where every wave that is manifest has it's exact opposite. Each wave peak has an opposite trough canceling each other out. At any one moment, all waves can cancel into the Absolute Zero Sum Total. In fact, there is the Absolute Zero Sum Total all the time. Again, I prefer to refer to a dynamic equilibrium where the Zero Sum Total and the separated waves thereof, exist all the time everywhere.

Chris
PS - I have to say I found the link you refer to as quite confused!

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much, I deeply appreciate you taking time to answer my questions! I wanted to reply a lot earlier but got distracted for many days.

You say..
You're speaking as if you believe in some kind of planned design? And as if the soul is an identity. In my truth however, things happen in the universe based on key characteristics - essentially all arising from one very simple dynamic: the flow outwards to separation and the flow inwards to unity. To my mind, everything can be explained in these basic terms.

I resonate very much with your way of seeing, it feels more natural to me to understand things in a simple framework. but as things can be explained in logical and abstract terms, can't they also be understood in metaphorical terms, like stories? somehow I see the planned design perspective could just be as valid. From the perspective of the whole universe everything is indeed happening because of a set of simple laws as a result of the separation to unity dynamic, but from the perspective of an individual soul, why can't it be pre-planed just as we can make on a plan here in physicality (although things often don't work out exactly as we plan it)? I see a value for explaining it in a symbolic story format as many may find it hard to understand things that are too abstract.

And your soul did not 'chose' the circumstances of your life (as is often quoted in spiritual circles).

Lots of people who had near death experiences report very similar experiences, such as meeting their deceased relatives or conducting post-life review sessions to reexamine their life in physicality in order to prepare for their next incarnation. Many channelled messages from higher realms seem to confirm these. Some even talk of souls reexamining their past lives and deciding on the lessons to learn in their next incarnation, and arranging circumstances for their birth with their guides and soul family before incarnation. What are your views on this? what could be the explanation for the commonality in these experiences? I do not disagree with your view, I sense there might be a possibility to rise my level of understanding of this.

The human population has soared not because of some plan for enlightenment. In my truth the OPPOSITE is true. An imbalance has been created by an intention - an intention to hold in place a certain status quo - a matrix of control. But since the matrix is in place and human beings continue to be born, there is no choice but for unity consciousness to 'populate' those beings. But that doesn't make it Right Action (an action aligned with the natural universal flow).

Young people in China and elsewhere in the world today seem to enjoy greater abundance in their life and they also seem to be a lot more intelligent and have much greater ease of access to more abundant information (which includes a great amount of spiritual knowledge widely available online) than previous generations. I do feel the younger generation is more spiritually evolved than the older ones. In other your other posts, you seem to believe there will likely to be catastrophes soon leading a significant reduction in population in the future, but why would the karma of more evolved souls result them in incarnating here to experience disasters and then get a large proportion of them wiped out?

In spiritual circles, people mention highly evolved souls from higher realms have been incarnating on earth to help lift up humanity. You also mentioned in your interview with Sein that you'd experienced ascension before and decided to come back again to reexperience it and teach it to others, not sure if i understood you correctly. how can souls come back after they've ascended? and since they had already ascended before do they still have to work with certain karmic issues from previous lives when they incarnate on earth again?

I have to say I found the link you refer to as quite confused!

I do find some videos confirm the things you say, for example the one on twin flames. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Snui08PDS8

What are your views on channelled information? Could they be misinformation even if they were coming from higher consciousness?

much love,

Lei

Hi Lei,

Yet again, the dialogue is interesting and deep.

You begin by asking...

"From the perspective of the whole universe everything is indeed happening because of a set of simple laws as a result of the separation to unity dynamic, but from the perspective of an individual soul, why can't it be pre-planed just as we can make on a plan here in physicality (although things often don't work out exactly as we plan it)?"

What I see is that the universe exploded into being of it's own accord. It was inevitable that pure presence - the everything/nothing - would do this, because in a nut shell, where there is infinite time, there is a very definite probability that the everything/nothing would spontaneously sub-divide into parts of itself - a flow outwards of Separation Consciousness and an opposite flow inwards of Unity Consciousness.

Over eons, both forms evolved. Separation Consciousness took the form of everything physical we see around us. But Unity Consciousness evolved too - into souls expressing the One Life. Within each such soul is the "Original Memory of the Condition of Oneness". It is an inherent driving energy which generates many powerful feelings such as compassion and love for example.

Now most people in society seem to be making free choices about how to live their lives. They rationalise and plan what to do based on ambitions, security, hope, desire etc etc. However, the vast majority of these supposed 'choices' are neither free nor authentic. They are simply the formulaic outcome of the two differing flows of energy inside the bodymind. Basically, people are really making choices based on either fear or love; either expressing Separation Consciousness or Unity Consciousness, whichever is getting the upper hand in those particular circumstances at that particular time. It appears as though we have infinite choice, but in fact, this is just an illusion.

But I do believe there is one, higher, altruistic choice - that is for all sentient life to move to internal equilibrium - the nirvana we spoke of in a previous sharing. In my truth, there is a highly sophisticated guiding energy at the Source of our universe that is facilitating this process (the Group of Nine of which I speak). When a sentient being is really tuning into Unity Consciousness, I believe they're also tuning into this one authentic choice. This would the 'intelligent design' of to which you're alluding. Except it's not really a design. It's more of an acceptance of how the universe is naturally flowing and a choice to facilitate that (to catalyse it).

In supposed support of this 'intelligent design', you say...

"Lots of people who had near death experiences report very similar experiences, such as meeting their deceased relatives or conducting post-life review sessions to reexamine their life in physicality in order to prepare for their next incarnation. Many channelled messages from higher realms seem to confirm these. Some even talk of souls reexamining their past lives and deciding on the lessons to learn in their next incarnation, and arranging circumstances for their birth with their guides and soul family before incarnation."

In my experience many people embellish what actually happens! I guess it sells better stories! But to be more kind, sometimes we may experience something at an etheric level which is very hard to interpret and put into words which another mind may grasp. You may see a particular view on reality - what is taking place - but you're looking and interpreting through a mind which is used to particular frameworks and structures - like having thoughts and making plans around supposed 'choices'.

Yes I too have experienced undertaking a review of my life. But it was more like a natural flowing experience as a result of my consciousness unfolding into the causal body and other higher vehicles. It's like the movie is always there, it's always running, it's just that now you're in a place to see it.

And when we undertake a review, yes there is frequently (perhaps always) benevolent presence to help us understand and realise what exactly took place. But I don't then experience a deciding of what happens next. The karma is already there - it 'decides' in what form the next incarnation shapes. Imagine it like being held by a supporting hand within the angelic realms, the review unfolds naturally, a degree of rationalisation and healing takes place, then the supporting hand is removed. The 'weight' of the karma then drags us back down through the dimensions to the 'right' level (whatever density we're holding).

As we descend, the karma is already shaping exactly the circumstances we need to experience and evolve through. It's like our karma is the lock and we draw to ourselves the key to open the lock. But it's an entirely unplanned natural process. Some minds may interpret it as planned - you hear about supposed 'sacred contracts' for example - but to me at least, these are not planned at all. They are just inevitable because of the configuration of our consciousness.

You ask further...

"you seem to believe there will likely to be catastrophes soon leading a significant reduction in population in the future, but why would the karma of more evolved souls result them in incarnating here to experience disasters and then get a large proportion of them wiped out?"

Generally, there's one main reason why people come back - because they have karma to process and evolve through. We all have a chance to do that, but no one is deciding to 'wipe out' a large proportion - at least that's not a decision being taken at the higher level. Yet it may occur naturally as a natural equalisation of our natural ecosystems of which we are a part. Before the industrial revolution there was 900 million people on the planet. Now, a little over a century later, there are over 6 Billion! That is certainly not aligned with the natural flow and therefore not energetically sustainable in the long term. In my view it's just an unbalanced equation resolving itself out.

You ask...

"You also mentioned in your interview with Sein that you'd experienced ascension before and decided to come back again to reexperience it and teach it to others, not sure if i understood you correctly. how can souls come back after they've ascended? and since they had already ascended before do they still have to work with certain karmic issues from previous lives when they incarnate on earth again?"

In the previous incarnation of which I speak, I ascended yes, but I didn't go through the Resurrection. This is all about living fully multi-dimensionally but in 'physical' form. There's also a feeling of 'debt' to be paid. If you like, helping to resolve out the 'genetic' karma of my bloodline. It's not necessary to do it. But for me at least, there was a compulsion to do it. Plus there's the collective yearning of humanity which is asking for a solution to a seemingly intractable problem. That is bringing quite a number of ascended souls back.

Finally you ask another very important question...

"What are your views on channelled information? Could they be misinformation even if they were coming from higher consciousness?"

In my experience, truly Benevolent Consciousness does not channel information. To me, this would be to contravene the natural universal law of 'free will' - more appropriately "self realisation". Imparting knowledge and wisdom through channeling is simply too influential and leaves the recipient potentially unsure of whether it is their truth or someone else's and do they really believe it?

I have continual 'encounters' with higher benevolent consciousness - The Group of Nine - of which I speak. But NEVER ONCE have they told me 'how it is'. They work by sounding a note - a vibration - which activates a truth in me. But it is MY truth, not theirs. Also, they work by shaping circumstances that reveal distortions and blockages but it is up to us to work through those - no one else can do it for us.

Which is why I always invite people to thoroughly question what I say, I always say I am not speaking 'absolute truth' but my truth and that people should ALWAYS process that through their own inner knowing.

To me this is vital!

Chris

Hi Chris,

I feel blessed to discuss various topics with you, I've learnt so much through our exchange. Thank you

In the previous incarnation of which I speak, I ascended yes, but I didn't go through the Resurrection. This is all about living fully multi-dimensionally but in 'physical' form. There's also a feeling of 'debt' to be paid. If you like, helping to resolve out the 'genetic' karma of my bloodline. It's not necessary to do it. But for me at least, there was a compulsion to do it. Plus there's the collective yearning of humanity which is asking for a solution to a seemingly intractable problem. That is bringing quite a number of ascended souls back.

What do you mean by the 'genetic' karma of your bloodline?

It seems even ascended souls also have to go through a veil of forgetfulness when they come back, they are not born enlightened and have to go through many trials and errors before they can ascend again. If this is the case, there seems to be no absolute guarantee that they will ascend again even though they had ascended before. For example, if a previously ascended soul died in physicality at a young age, what will happen to his/her soul in the ether? will this create karma for the enlightened soul? why can't ascended souls be born enlightened? does their suffering before enlightenment has to do with their karma from past lives (but they should have already resolved all karmic issues as they had already ascended)?

But if souls did become eternal after ascension there would always be an increasing number of eternal souls in the universe and never decreasing as they can never die, how is this possible? Will there ever come a point for eternal souls merging back to the source?

with much love,

Lei

Hi Lei,

You ask...

"What do you mean by the 'genetic' karma of your bloodline?"

What I mean is that karma - or at least the effects of karma - is held within Separation Consciousness. Each soul is also responsible for this karma not just their own. But it's more at a collective level.

From my perspective, for the state of nirvana to be achieved, in other words for equilibrium to be found in all places, that karma has to be dissolved out everywhere. It is this sense of collective responsibility which is a part of the 'authentic choice' I spoke of in an earlier post.

When we come into incarnation, we generate a story within Separation Consciousness. The story will have all kinds of interactions between friends and relatives - as we awaken again, we're going to create frictions that need to be dealt with - this is the 'blood-line karma' of which I speak.

You ask...

"It seems even ascended souls also have to go through a veil of forgetfulness when they come back, they are not born enlightened and have to go through many trials and errors before they can ascend again."

To me, when a soul is ascended, they are enlightened. The soul has reached a degree of evolution which means they can't really be 'tainted' by the illusion anymore. But you're right, they still have to look through veils of illusion - the bodymind for example and the circumstances that are created for it.

Some ascended souls come back as "Walk-ins". There's an agreement for the soul to come into another's bodymind. The ascended soul helps the existing soul accelerate along their path until they too become enlightened and then leave. The ascended soul would still then be looking through the veils of the old bodymind (this is a very complex phenomenon and I don't wish to go deeper at this point).

I would also say an ascended soul could be born enlightened - I just haven't personally encountered one! They say the Dalai Larma is one for example.

In my truth, an enlightened soul would not create karma. The two phenomenon are contradictory - karma only arises from attachment and in an enlightened soul there is no attachment - even if there's death at an early age.

Finally you ask...

"But if souls did become eternal after ascension there would always be an increasing number of eternal souls in the universe and never decreasing as they can never die, how is this possible? Will there ever come a point for eternal souls merging back to the source?"

We have the possibility to continually create new dimensions of existence with ever finer vibrations of experience. Hence there would be no need of an enlightened soul to be dissolved out (so to speak), although at any point, it is my experience that a soul can 'chose' to merge once more with the source.

Best wishes

Chris

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the response.

I have some further questions..

Are ascended souls guaranteed that you will ascend again when they come back? Is it possible for the souls to 'die' in physicality on earth before they could ascend again?

To me, when a soul is ascended, they are enlightened. The soul has reached a degree of evolution which means they can't really be 'tainted' by the illusion anymore. But you're right, they still have to look through veils of illusion - the bodymind for example and the circumstances that are created for it.

Some ascended souls come back as "Walk-ins".

haha.. now I'm starting to wonder if I'm one of those walk-ins. Ever since I was a child I've felt as if my higher archetypal self is one of those wise enlightened beings, but I do also feel quite strongly I have certain karmic issues to work through.

I would also say an ascended soul could be born enlightened - I just haven't personally encountered one! They say the Dalai Larma is one for example.

hmmm.. that's really interesting. I've never thought the Dalai Lama is actually enlightened, probably I should pay more attention to him, but he doesn't speak English well, it can be hard to appreciate his wisdom sometimes. Also partly because of his leadership the large part of the world has become very anti-China on the Tibetan issue. It does make me wonder the wisdom of his leadership as it seems to me the anti-China sentiment really doesn't help with the cause at all.

One more question. In spiritual circles, people sometimes talk about each soul is being assigned with a number of spirit guides or guardian angels who would look after/guide this soul during its physical incarnation. The guides are sometimes thought as more evolved and ascended souls. What are your views on this? what are the guides? are they actually individual souls people could communicate with? or are they simply one cosmic consciousness and people's perception of their individuality is really just an illusion of their own interpretation?

Many thanks!

Lei

Hi Lei,

More questions, and as always I'll answer not in absolutes but from my truth.

You say...

"I've never thought the Dalai Lama is actually enlightened"

If you read some of his writings, to me, they appear unenlightened. But then as you say, he leads a huge religious group. I think it must be exceedingly challenging to find words that are enlightened but don't disenfranchise his following.

You ask...

"In spiritual circles, people sometimes talk about each soul is being assigned with a number of spirit guides or guardian angels who would look after/guide this soul during its physical incarnation. The guides are sometimes thought as more evolved and ascended souls. What are your views on this? what are the guides? are they actually individual souls people could communicate with? or are they simply one cosmic consciousness and people's perception of their individuality is really just an illusion of their own interpretation?"

Indeed there are many guides acting from the higher dimensions of all states of evolution. And, at the same time, the most important guide for anyone who is not yet transfigured, would be their own Higher Self - that aspect of the soul which is not yet fully embodied. It is my experience, that frequently, people confuse this with what they call their "Guardian Angel".

Best wishes

Chris

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the response.

Indeed there are many guides acting from the higher dimensions of all states of evolution.

Are the guides ascended souls who have had life experiences on planets? Can souls who aren't yet ascended act as guides for others in the ether? How has souls have attracted the specific spirits that guide them? Is there a karmic relationship between the soul incarnating on earth and his or her guides?

at the same time, the most important guide for anyone who is not yet transfigured, would be their own Higher Self - that aspect of the soul which is not yet fully embodied.

How is the higher self formed? i.e, what determines the particular soul ray harmonic of our higher self? is our higher self our future self from our linear time perspective? are there different layers of our higher self on different dimensions?

Lastly, what do you recommend people to do to connect with their guides and higher self?

Many thanks,

Lei

Hi Lei,

You ask...

"Are the guides ascended souls who have had life experiences on planets? Can souls who aren't yet ascended act as guides for others in the ether? How has souls have attracted the specific spirits that guide them? Is there a karmic relationship between the soul incarnating on earth and his or her guides?"

My experience is that many guides are indeed ascended souls. But I also experience help from souls both in the Fourth Dimension who are not ascended and from the angelic realms. A non-ascended fourth dimensional soul can be of great help because they can 'see' more through the field and are able to shape circumstances aligned with the divine flow.

And how do we attract the right guides? Again it boils down to "The Law of Attraction" - we attract the right energy according to the configuration of our consciousness. And yes, it could be that there are karmic relations between incarnated souls and souls in spirit.

You ask...

"How is the higher self formed? i.e, what determines the particular soul ray harmonic of our higher self? is our higher self our future self from our linear time perspective? are there different layers of our higher self on different dimensions?"

When a soul comes into incarnation, if it is not enlightened, it has to 'learn' how to fully infuse into the bodymind, including all seven bodily vehicles of expression. Certain energies and resistances impede this infusion. For example, society is perfectly configured to bring attention into the physical body. So very quickly, we loose connection to the higher bodily vehicles (in higher vibrational planes).

So the 'Lower Soul' and the 'Higher Soul' tend to get separated. To me, the Higher Self is the Higher Soul acting through the higher bodily vehicles of expression. We have to reactivate the higher vehicles, open the lower vehicles, reintegrate the two and then infuse the soul fully into all the vehicles. This is exactly the process I have described at length within Five Gateways.

A fully integrated human being is indeed acting through multiple dimensions of reality. But you wouldn't then call it the Higher and Lower Self. There is an integrated whole acting as one.

Finally, to me, our Soul Ray Harmonic is something that is simply destined. As the One Life exploded into being, at the Big Bang, Unity Consciousness and Separation Consciousness were formed. Just as Separation Consciousness evolved so did Unity Consciousness. How did this happen? It's hard for me to explain - I can't fully articulate it in a human mind. But if you look at how light shines through water droplets in the air to create a rainbow, I do believe this demonstrates a clue as to how Unity Consciousness evolved into seven different vibrational characteristics. You could envisage each soul as being a different 'slice' of the rainbow. And each 'slice' has slightly different strengths of colour - this is the Soul Ray Harmonic.

I trust that helps a little

Chris

Thank you all for this exchange! Chris: The patience and depth with wich you answer all posts in this community are really remarkable. Thank you for this.

David

Hi Chris,

Again thank you very much for the response.

Finally, to me, our Soul Ray Harmonic is something that is simply destined.

You could envisage each soul as being a different 'slice' of the rainbow. And each 'slice' has slightly different strengths of colour - this is the Soul Ray Harmonic.

Does this mean the unique blend of the Soul Ray Harmonic of each individual soul will never change? To me nothing should be set in stone, everything should be evolving.

with love,

Lei

I agree with you Lei. It does feel and seem like everything is evolving, including the soul.

Perhaps you might consider it this way: presence is continually infusing deeper into each soul, continually garnering increasingly exquisite and sensitive experience.

To me, it is this increase in sensitivity to the soul - and within it - which becomes the experience of soul evolution.

First we need to embody the soul, then to experience life through it, then to have deepening experiences of life within it.

Also, even though the Soul Ray Harmonic is 'fixed', sometimes a different aspect of the harmonic - one of the rays - may come through stronger so as to learn something in particular. Often in my journey, I've experienced 'filters' being inserted into the soul which colour particular engagements - say in a relationship for example. In such circumstances, different facets of the Soul Ray Harmonic come through more strongly so that we may attune more accurately to them.

As soon as we've attuned to what we need to, the filter dissolves, we see life - and the engagement - more clearly. The soul is now being experienced more completely.

Chris

Hi Lei,

Your questions suggest such a profound depth of knowing within. What is inspiring these questions? Where are the questions arising from? What do you do with all these answers internally?

I am fascinated to know what you do in China? Your English is fluent. I was a hairs width away from moving to Beijing when I was 19 years old.

With Love
Trinity

Hi Trinity,

To be honest, I've never really thought about the questions you ask. They're interesting questions could take me deep into myself. I have always felt a very strong sense of individuality, it's difficult for me to follow the herd because I'd always question everything. It's such a pain growing up with such a personality especially since I had serious problem observing social rituals when I was younger, they just seemed completely trivial and made no sense to me. I still remember I was once at a nightclub for a friend's leaving party, the music was extremely loud and people were all dancing, but I was standing in the middle of the crowd and feeling completely unmoved. I think it's partly this sort of experiences since my childhood made me wonder about the nature of things. I do feel getting the answers will help me to get over certain mind barriers to whole-heartedly embrace the path.

I can read and write in English only because I'd lived in England for many years. I got my finance degree from Reading university. Knowing the English language is the single best thing has ever happened to me, had I stayed in China I'd never learn it. I've been mostly teaching (both business and English language) at college and training schools, but I feel so much more inspired to do other things, like promoting veganism, starting a permaculture project or a business in China. But I also feel it's quite pointless to do any of these unless I have first achieved a more awakened consciousness.

It's fascinating you were interested in coming here at a young age, what was the reason? Although I grew up here, I still find this country fascinating. I do hope you'll come and visit China, it's a major part of the matrix you'll have to see. Sadly, there's still not much awakening going on in this part of the world. It does make me wonder if I should make my way back to the west and focus on my spiritual growth for a while in a more enlightened environment.

with much love,

Lei

Hi Chris,

It does feel and seem like everything is evolving, including the soul.

When you say everything is evolving, do you mean the soul ray harmonic is also evolving? If the soul is evolving, how can the soul ray harmonic stay fixed? To me it seems more reasonable that at certain stages the rays may merge into less than seven or differentiate into more rays.

As the seven rays are really universal impulses of whole, it should apply to all souls in all dimensions. Does that also mean all yet enlightened souls across all planetary systems in the cosmos follow a similar path to ascension as you described in the five pathways?

Thanks,

Lei

I remember many past lives from incarnations on Earth and other planets and can relate to the Soul Ray Harmonic from a broad perspective.

One thing that I notice about the soul ray harmonic is that, at the core, I have always incarnated with the same harmonic. I see that at the very first moment of inception, right at the 'beginning' we have our own unique expression as an individual soul. Perhaps this is why 'you are you' and 'I am me' and even in our purest state there is a fine film of division between us. My understanding of this is that no two ray harmonics are identical. What follows is a simplified version in order to break it down (the actual figures of possibility are infinitely larger). So, my unique ray harmonic might be:

27% Ray 1
26% Ray 2
12% Ray 3
11% Ray 4
4% Ray 5
12% Ray 6
8% Ray 7

No matter which incarnation I look at, I appear to have the same ray harmonic.

Yet my soul has been evolving.

During various incarnations I have explored in detail individual aspects of this harmonic which has given me a deeper and deeper experiential understanding of my different aspects of beingness. So for example, I might have been a warrior in one lifetime and excercise a much stronger ratio of the Ray 1 element at the expense of some of the others. But, then like an outstretched rubber band, I would always be drawn back to my unique soul configuration.

Ultimately, I see that the invitation we have been given is to realign at ever finer levels with our own indivual blend of Ray's. The finer and finer experience of pure presence within that is our evolution.

Trinity
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Hi Lei,

Thank you for sharing. I can relate to your pondering nature . In a similar way ever since the youngest age I could always feel something bubbling under the surface that made me question what was going on around me. It's as if I was searching for something, but what exactly? I had no idea.

I look back with amusement as I kept trying on 'different shoes'. When I was 17 I explored my Ray 1 energy by joining the armed forces (to become a linguist). The experience was phenominal for many reasons and a great catalyst on my journey. One morning I literally woke up in the barracks thinking that I must be off my head, what am I doing here! Before joining I had been some what of an anti-establishement kind of girl, so it had suprised a lot of people that I would be there in the first place. So the bubble burst - in my efforts of self-discovery, it was time for me to try on different shoes After a few miracles I managed to leave after only a year of service, with exemplary conduct, but, 'not suitable for a military career' stamped on my leaving papers.

Next stop (after joining several ngo enviromental organisations) I decided to become a nanny. I'd worked with children as a teenager and it seemed a much more natural 'Ray 2' thing to do. Next adventure - I was ready to go. After a short stop in Switzerland with a Swiss family I moved to Germany to live with a Canadian family (the father of whom was one of the head bods with General Motors, responsible setting up GM in China, or something of sorts). After spending a while in Germany, they were being transferred to Beijing and asked me to come. I almost did. But, it was at this time that I had an earth shattering spiritual awakening that changed everything and I decided not to go. (I felt a pull to Hawaii instead, although many other things happened en-route).

So my pondering nature has invited an exploration of many different facets of my beingness. Eventually it all fell into place.

With Love
Trinity

Hi Trinity,

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

One thing that I notice about the soul ray harmonic is that, at the core, I have always incarnated with the same harmonic.

It's incomprehensible to me how the universe could possibly remember and maintain the unique harmonic of each individual soul throughout eternity. Especially when you break the rays down into percentages, the number can go into infinite fine fractions, for example the number of Ray 1 might be: 25.3435435463645.... %. Since the universe is constantly evolving, I just don't see how it could possibly maintain that same ratios from the inception of a soul throughout the eternity.

It also seems strange the universe would always have the same seven rays of impulses, it would make more sense to me if the rays would merge or differentiate into more or less than 7 at certain stages. But of course, it might take an extremely long period of time for that to happen. So, from a practical point of view it's more helpful to see the rays as fixed.

I've just read Chris's interesting article on twin flames and soul mates. I wonder if our soul mates have a similar ray harmonic as us or the complete opposite.

I remember many past lives from incarnations on Earth and other planets

That's truly fascinating, I've often wondered how living on other planets could be like. Were your past lives on other planets also in the 3rd dimension?Have you spent most of your past lives on earth? why do souls incarnate on different planets rather than keep staying on one until ascension?

with love,

Lei

Hi Trinity,

It's always fascinating to know how other souls have evolved on their journey. I feel truly grateful to learn from your experiences. Thank you for sharing!

I've always felt a very strong urge to build something new or transform things on the planet. When I was younger the urge was manifested mainly as a desire to build an innovative global enterprise, I even flirted with the idea of going into politics to change China. But I never truly had the courage to take the plunge. I'm not sure what rays they actually reflect, it does feel the the warrior energy is more dominant but there's also a strong creative impulse to it. But that urge seem to have subsided over the past year or so, recently I've felt a far stronger desire to experience profound compassion and spiritual expansion, and the urge seems to be growing stronger every day.

with love,

Lei

Hi Lei,

You ask...

"It's incomprehensible to me how the universe could possibly remember and maintain the unique harmonic of each individual soul throughout eternity."

In short, in my view, it doesn't have to. The soul ray harmonic IS the composition of a soul which remains through the existence of the soul. It is neither remembered nor lost.

You also ask...

"It also seems strange the universe would always have the same seven rays of impulses, it would make more sense to me if the rays would merge or differentiate into more or less than 7 at certain stages."

If I may say so, it feels like you're thinking this question rather than feeling it. My current excperience through continual inner exploration of motivation for action, guides me to feel there are seven rays of divine impulse.

Does that mean there will always be seven? I can't find it within to answer yes. I can certainly feel the possibility that this could evolve. Although it is important to remember that each soul ray characteristic is formed from the original dynamic of unity moving to separation and back again. To me, they are natural characteristics formed as a consequence of this inevitable original action.

Chris

Hi Lei,

I'm really enjoying the the topics you're exploring on here and the enthralling way the thread is developing.

I hadn't really thought about most of this before, (so thank you for your stimulating questions!) but it seems to make sense to me that our soul ray harmonic stays the same. Indeed that would seem to aid the evolutionary process to my way of thinking. Once the individual experiential vehicle of the soul has been differentiated, then it can simply exist in that soul ray harmonic form for eons. However within that vehicle lies the capability for multitudinous experiences through different life times.

Although I've had impressions or experiences in this life time that echo and relate to previous lives, it would not really be accurate to say I have "memories" of them. However from my experiences in this life time I can see how I've explored the various harmonics of my soul. Funnily enough, in quite similar fashion to Trinity, my careers began firstly in a ray 1 dominated all male, industrial environment, then switched to a ray 2 dominated healthcare environment. So I had ample time to explore my ray 1 and ray 2 and all the distortions around the expression of those as well as the gifts. So I can see from an evolutionary point of view that the soul ray harmonic gives you the wardrobe of your experience, and that the evolution comes with the finer and finer expression of how you wear it. Did you start of with six pairs of socks on at the same time, odd shoes that wouldn't even fit because of your socks, clashing colours and scarf so tight it was strangling you? Where are you now, have you found an elegant, simple, bold or beautiful, balanced expressiion of you?

So from my point of view the very consistency of the soul ray harmonic gives rise to the evolutionary possibilities, in the sense of evolution arising from or "building" on what went before, it seems without that consistency the evolutionary process would keep collapsing and you wouldn't have a soul to reincarnate.

With love,
Lesley

Chris wrote: The soul ray harmonic IS the composition of a soul which remains through the existence of the soul. It is neither remembered nor lost.

This is how I have seen it too.

Hi Lei,

From a practical point of view it does seem that we need 'models of reality' if we are to to bring everything to the point of third dimensional rationalisation, fixed or not. I prefer not to categorise everything, although, I recognise that it can serve a purpose to build a bridge or offer a sign post to something intangible to the limitations of the 3D mind. For me, the main dilemma is often inadequate descriptive words to articulate the profound nature of things, given that my understanding is not one of the intellect in the first place. Words can only take us so far.

Lei wrote: "Have you spent most of your past lives on earth?"

I've spent relatively few here in the grande scheme of things.

Lei wrote: "why do souls incarnate on different planets rather than keep staying on one until ascension?"

There are many reasons. One reason might be if a planet is destroyed. A soul might then be given to incarnate somewhere else of similar vibration. Another reason might be in order to serve a benevolent calling. Why do you feel that they might?

Lei wrote: "I wonder if our soul mates have a similar ray harmonic as us or the complete opposite."

I see them more as being 'divinely complementary'. Which is quite paradoxical as it it implies being both opposite and aligned at the same time

Trinity

Thanks Chris, you're right, I think I'm too much in my head not in my heart.

Lesley, thank your for sharing! I love your wardrobe metaphor! It brought vivid imageries to my mind, it seems to make perfect sense.

I do not doubt the very consistent nature of the soul ray harmonic, but I tend to believe that as we exercise different rays at different stages of our evolution, this may slightly alter the original ray harmonic of our soul. It's more like a two way interactive process, the original blend of our rays inspires us to act in a certain way and then the circumstances of life reshape our way of living and cause certain rays to grow stronger than others, and as some rays grow too strong compare to other ones life will again cause us to exercise more of our weaker ones. But all this happens in a very slow and gradual manner so there's still great consistency to it, and even if all soul harmonics change over time I still see no possibility for any two of them to be completely identical. But whether it's completely fixed or not I don't see how this is very relevant to my own evolution so I think I'll stop giving it much thought.

With love,

Lei

Thank you for sharing too. It makes things so much more colourful get to know a little more about where you are coming from.

You wrote:" I'm not sure what rays they actually reflect, it does feel the the warrior energy is more dominant but there's also a strong creative impulse to it. But that urge seem to have subsided over the past year or so, recently I've felt a far stronger desire to experience profound compassion and spiritual expansion, and the urge seems to be growing stronger every day."

I have heard of many people incarnating with a strong warrior 'make it happen' type energy only to see it falling away like water, replaced by a dominant gentleness when the awakening is in full swing. This seems to be very common. To me this is an example of how we might explore a different emphasis of Ray configuration at any one given time.

In my experience, this is not so much an evolution of the Ray's, but an evolving experience of the Ray's. This doesn't (in my experience at least) change the actual configuration, it's just that the emphasis on any one aspect may be different at a particular given time. The difference is only subtle.

It is wonderful to see another soul exploring these truths so deeply within himself.

People might see someone like Mahatma Gandhi as having a Ray 2 dominant soul over flowing with non-violence, Love and compassion. Although I see the strong Ray 1 energy there too that was required to stand up and create a movement that brought down the Britsh Emprire in India. Sometimes it can be harder to spot - but there in it's authenticity none the less.

With Love
Trinity

Hi Trinity,

I prefer not to categorise everything, although, I recognise that it can serve a purpose to build a bridge or offer a sign post to something intangible to the limitations of the 3D mind. For me, the main dilemma is often inadequate descriptive words to articulate the profound nature of things, given that my understanding is not one of the intellect in the first place. Words can only take us so far.

I perfectly understand and agree.

I've spent relatively few here in the grande scheme of things.

That's intriguing! Are they mostly 3D experiences like here on earth? I'd love to know where I'd been in my past lives.

Why do you feel that they might?

I feel a certain planetary environment may serve as a great platform for a soul to experience a certain ray!

I see them more as being 'divinely complementary'. Which is quite paradoxical as it it implies being both opposite and aligned at the same time

Does that mean our dominant Rays will likely to be our soul mates weaker rays? If that's the case, I don't think I'd be interested in my soul mate, at least not at this stage.

Lei

Hi Trinity,

I have heard of many people incarnating with a strong warrior 'make it happen' type energy only to see it falling away like water, replaced by a dominant gentleness when the awakening is in full swing. This seems to be very common. To me this is an example of how we might explore a different emphasis of Ray configuration at any one given time.

I do feel a strong desire to connect deeply with all sentient life forms. Sometimes it makes me feel a bit too effeminate, I tend to filter that a bit. Occasionally I've felt a strong urge to tell people how much I love them, but I try not to do it as it tends to overwhelm people too much.

People might see someone like Mahatma Gandhi as having a Ray 2 dominant soul over flowing with non-violence, Love and compassion. Although I see the strong Ray 1 energy there too that was required to stand up and create a movement that brought down the Britsh Emprire in India. Sometimes it can be harder to spot - but there in it's authenticity none the less.

I perfectly resonate with your view. Somehow I can see this in myself.

With love,

Lei

Thnaks, Lei, I'm glad the wardrobe was a useful image! In a way it was far from a perfect analogy, (being as the soul is intrinsic and shines from the inside out)! However I think the idea of exploring and finding a more perfect expression of your soul ray harmonic kind of fits in with how people often gradually change and find expression in what they wear, and also how in different situations you might wear different things: like your wellies and overalls for chopping wood in the morning, something clean and tidy for cooking the afternoon and something more colourful for hosting a celebration in the evening. So might your purposeful ray be dominating the morning tasks, then be joined by your loving and creative rays for baking and then the love and creativity further amplified and joined by your sense of fun for the party.

So when you've been through your punk teenager and your surrendered mothering phases, or captain of industry phase, or whatever lies on your path, you have a more polished, multi-faceted lantern of rays, the colours of which will be less "muddied" the more self realisation you've undertaken along the way and they will shine different blends of colours at different times depending on what you find yourself doing. There will be a consistency to the characteristics of your light which is recognisable, even though it flares and scintillates according to moment by moment circumstance.

I get a feeling the ultimate "perfected" lantern, might be predominantly white light, this comes from an experience of myself in meditation when it felt like I glimpsed what lies beneath the sediment, yet to be revealed.

Lesley x

Lesley, I find your way of describing things really powerful, I had some key insights while reading your post, I think now I have a deeper understanding of how a true authentic life is really like. Thank you so much!

I've actually just had an interesting experience. I went out for a walk this evening, I was quite present and feeling rather blissful the whole time. Then when I came back home and switched on the light, I suddenly saw a big cockroach on the floor, I immediately felt the tightness within. I tried to accept my feelings and stay present with the situation, but I still felt the tightness as long as I could see it on the floor. Now it's gone, but I thought it's an interesting synchronicity, I wonder what the hidden message of this experience might be.

Lei

Hi Lei,

To understand any such 'animal medicine' is to recall what we first notice about the creature. This may then provide some insight. So what did you notice?

Chris

Hi Chris,

It's just one big black crawling insect, there's not much detail about the insect itself that I can provide. I noticed it on my quite white floor as soon as I switched on the light, it's definitely a big contrast as the room suddenly became bright and then I immediately saw this big black spot on the floor. It wasn't really moving that much when I first saw it, it slowly moved among the fruits I had on my floor and tried to hide in them, then I moved the fruit a bit to try to get it move away, after a few attempts it moved under my fridge. I'm not sure if it's still there.

I used to enjoy playing with insects as a child, but one day I took a very close look at one insect on our door, I got so horrified because its face looked so ugly, and since then I developed a phobia for insects.

Hope these info helpful!

Thanks,

Lei

I've actually seen cockroaches in my room quite few times. They always come out when it's dark and hide away when there's light. But this time is particularly interesting because I came home feeling quite still and at peace, and then I saw this insect and immediately felt a tightness within. I first tried to bring acceptance to the situation, but I found it to be very hard and I felt the tightness as long as I could still see it on my floor, and that's why I tried to get it move away. I've just thought about this whole thing again, I realize this insect can't really harm me in any way, there's absolutely no reason I should be afraid of it. I could relate this to so many other things I'm afraid of in life, I've been so terrified of them for so long despite they are only illusions.

There are some key techniques one can apply to interpreting 'animal medicine' indeed all signs - EVERYTHING is a sign. In becoming fully multidimensional, we begin to interpret all physical phenomena as symbols of a higher consciousness. Ever seen the film "The Matrix"? In the film some people are seen reading their so called reality encrypted in code. To me, this is similar to how I view reality - as code for a deeper meaning. When we start inquiring and looking to read the deeper meaning, over time, we see the apparently separate parts join up into one story - what I call "absolute authentic reality".

In outline, here are a few keys to interpreting absolute authentic reality:

1. first, hold the possibility that every phenomena and situation reveals a hidden meaning. Don't take my word for it, simply explore (assuming you feel okay with it)
2. then work as much as possible to live without intention. If you can't do it all the time, set aside as much time as possible for simple 'freewheeling' - going with the inner pull
3. watch for the unusual, allow your attention to be spiked to things and circumstances
4. ask "what is that revealing to me?" then watch, feel, and respond how you feel moved
5. if you feel to say or write something down, do it, then come back to the situation later
6. finally, realise that when you ask an authentic question in this way, your soul ALWAYS answers and mostly in your own words or actions immediately following the question.

It does take time and practice, like any skill. Also,normally observations are much more effective when done in the moment - if we recall it later, the mind tends to own the situation and creates the illusion it is more comfortable with or more conditioned too.

In your description, although it was done after the event, I find my consciousness spiked by your words...

"the room suddenly became bright and then I immediately saw this big black spot on the floor" and "it slowly moved among the fruits I had on my floor and tried to hide in them"

What it says to me is this: you have some 'creepy crawlies' in your consciousness (don't be alarmed everyone does!). Metaphorically I'm referring to 'bugs in the system', fixed neural pathways that make the internal brightness darker. They're hiding around your 'fruit', meaning the gifts of life - your gifts of beingness.

So just like many people, when you come to express a gift of beingness, it is being obscured by the conditioning of the past - in your own words (the words of your soul) - you developed "phobias".

The key to overcoming these 'bugs in the system' is to learn to walk the path of your highest truth. We have to confront the bugs - the tightness - to feel it fully, accept it, then internally expand into the contraction. Then the bugs will disappear and you'll be left with free authentic expression. I go into how to do this in a good deal of detail in the book "Five Gateways" (for anyone interested, you can read about the book here...Five Gateways).

Best wishes

Chris

This is exactly what it is!! Thank you so much Chris!

Lei

Hi Lei

You wrote: That's intriguing! Are they mostly 3D experiences like here on earth? I'd love to know where I'd been in my past lives.

I remember both 5th Dimensional and 3rd dimensional incarnations.

It's funny, because I am not too concerned about past lives (which is probably the reason that I remember them). The reason that I have remembered them was quite purposeful. They have always been spontaneous memories, rather than intentional.

The first reason is that they were related to karmic blockages that I was ready to let go of. Remembering (and especially reliving) past lives invokes the opportunity to let go of whatever we were attached to; that which would have travelled with us in varying forms throughout every incarnation since. Letting go of that opens up a significant and important chapter in our spiritual journey.

The other reason that we might remember a past life, is to remind us directly of something we learnt back then, if it has important relevence in our current incarnation. It comes to us all in different ways. I believe that it is unecessary to remember past lives unless we are meant to. Unecessary memories can send a person off on a distracting tangent.

For me the karma has always been related to 4th dimensional consciousness and below. It really is fascinating.

With Love
Trinity

Trinity, thanks for shedding light on past lives. If you remembered 5th dimensional incarnations, does that means you were ascended in your past lives? Is your purpose here to uplift humanity through this ascension?

Chris, so I went out tonight to look for signs. It's been fascinating! I saw so many signs and had many insights. At one point, my head just turned upwards looked the moon without any conscious intention. I saw the moon was moving pass a piece of cloud, I immediately thought of course the moon was not moving and it was the cloud that was moving. Then the moon moved past the cloud and was shining brightly at me (it was only a half moon though), I felt as if I was the moon and the moon was looking at me. There were many other interesting signs, I even had an answer to one of the dilemma I've been facing.

Lei

Hi Lei,

My purpose here is to be myself... whatever that may bring

I wondered if you feel perhaps it is your purpose to uplift humanity through 'this ascension'?

Based on what you know, experience and feel I wonder what is your own definition of ascension? What does it mean to you?

I love your moon story. Sounds magical.

Trinity

Hi Trinity,

Interestingly, I did feel quite strongly it was my mission to wake humanity up, the feeling was especially strong as a child. Coincidentally, the Chinese character of my name 'Lei' literally means thunder, it's made up of two parts, 'rain' on the top and 'farm' on the bottom. My surname is also interesting, the top part is a 'month' or 'opening' and lower part means 'sky' or 'heaven'. But now I no longer know what my purpose is.

It's hard for me to come up with a definition for ascension as there are so many things I've not experienced and can't really grasp, my feelings and ideas about it changes everyday. To me personally enlightenment is complete liberation, completely free of all sufferings (suffering from attachment that is), this definition is one I feel most resonate with. But I'm often afraid of fully committing to it, it feels like a certain kind of death to me, the death of 'Lei'.

Yes, that moon experience was quite magical (at least to me), but it wasn't so much a metaphor. There were many symbolic signs I find truly fascinating, I'm really starting to tap into this dreamlike feeling of reality. I do resonate very much with Openhands perspective of seeing all things as symbols of a higher consciousness. Although I've always been very open to that perspective especially since I was first introduced to spirituality through reading Carl Jung, it's remained more of a intellectual understanding for me, but the response about my bug experience from Chris yesterday really helped me to see this clearly!

Lei

Hi Lei,

I enjoyed you sharing above, thank you. I sense a profound energy welling from your depths. Even though it may feel challenging to fully commit ascension process for you at times - I get the feeling that you are still doing so anyway. It's a continual process of taking that next step, and then the next and then the next. I understand the sense of 'death' that you talk of that comes at this stage in the journey. This is the ultimate surrender.

I love these words. It conveys the simplicity that every soul recognises at the core:

“All of my teachings can be put in a single sentence. ‘Nothing is to be clung to as I, me, or mine."
Buddha

Why then do we complicate things so much

With Love
Trinity

Yes! You're very right Trinity. I do sense this energy welling up inside, I can literally feel my progress every day, in fact, the change has been quite rapid over the past few weeks. Last night, I had an insight into non-identified awareness, I could feel I was the space and everything was happening inside me, there's this allowing, no need to control anything at all, it's such a liberation. I also had a strong urge to let go of my fear of physical death and my desire for romantic relationships, interestingly this came after a couple of days ago a girl I felt strongly attracted to told me that she's not interested in communicating with me, and I just suddenly lost interest in all the dramas and the games people play with each other, they just all seem completely lack of authenticity. I know it's a process, but I'm on the path and there's no way back!

Thank you so much for the Buddha quote, I do feel I can resonate with it so much more now.

With love,

Lei

That sounds really powerful Lei. One moment of surrender is worth life times of efforting.
Trinity
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