I agree with you Trin. In my experience there are no shadows in the 5th Dimension. There is no forgetting who and what we are. Karma has been processed by then. In my truth, this is the ONLY way into the 5th Dimension. Otherwise our internal density would just keep drawing us back.

Another misconception is that of space time. Some people say the 4th Dimension is that of time which to me is incorrect. There is no such thing as time. Simply the distance between objects - the distance between groupings of light.

In the 3rd Dimension we feel like there is time because the mind hangs onto the moment. However when we stop hanging on, looking back, or fearing what is to come, there is simply experience of now and all possibilities within now.

Chris

In my experience of the 5th dimension THERE ARE NO SHADOWS. Shadows are purely created in the 3rd and 4th dimensions. My understanding is from direct experience and not based pondering or on third dimensional scientific understanding.

the devil is in the details

Just to clarify.

I wasn't talking about shadows in the 5th dimension.
If you shine light on an object in the 5th dimension it creates a shadow in time and space that appears like it belongs in the 5th.

I can't not say right now there are no shadows in the 5th.
I would have to be in the 6th to see that.

I suspect there is but there is no fear attached to it.

Another misconception is that of space time. Some people say the 4th Dimension is that of time which to me is incorrect. There is no such thing as time. Simply the distance between objects - the distance between groupings of light.

Chris,

In my opinion...it is just matter of perspective.
To me, there is no such thing as space in the fourth....just timing within the cycles.
everything is real only on the inside until both time and space have collapsed.

Kristian

I experience that 'shining a light' is obsolete beyond the fourth dimension. Shining a light is a lower dimensional construct. I don't know how you could shine a light on something in the fifth dimension.

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the comment. One of the words that comes to mind to describe my experience of the 4th dimension is 'limbo'. I resonate with your description here:

You wrote: "Some people say the 4th Dimension is that of time which to me is incorrect. There is no such thing as time. Simply the distance between objects - the distance between groupings of light."

Here are some of my own 'observations'...

The 4th dimension is very much alive with an imprint of whatever it is active within our causal body (our karmic field). So we basically experience a tangible imprint of the world we know - yet it does not obey the same laws.

I notice a timelessness, yet there is still space, or 'distance'. Yet overcoming that 'distance' does not require the same effort that we know in a third dimensional experience. Overcoming distance is as instantaneous as a thought (as I imagine the speed of light to be). It's like there is no space between where we are located and everything else, yet there is - a divine paradox.

Space may be an illusion, yet not having it would make it impossible for the individual experience of each unique soul.

The 4th dimension is the place where we create whatever it is we want to create. This is also the place that we remain 'forever stuck' in our journey of evolution until we realise that those 'wants' are keeping us locked in the lower densities. It is those wants and desires (rather than the authentic yearning of the soul) that make us create a reality that is not aligned with the flow back to the source. This is the place that we do not evolve beyond until we have processed all of our karma.

The forth dimension is the bridge between the third and fifth dimensions. Ascension from the world we know here in the third dimension is crossing that bridge and then centering our consciousness in the fifth.

x

Yes I'm very aligned with your experiences of the 4th Dimension Trin, it's very similar to mine.

Yes Kristian there are different perspectives but there is also an absolute truth. It's like we may each take a different view on the 3rd dimension, but certain 'rules' are common to us all - take gravity for example and the law of cause and effect. We can each look at them differently but they are real and effect each of us in the same way. So it is with the higher dimensions - they have particular characteristics that are common to those beings inhabiting those spaces.

I frequently observe (as with many spiritual matters) that people speak of multi-dimensionality when they're not really experiencing it fully. This risks leading people astray - it's especially important because in the higher plains thought is so much more powerful. To truly help people understand there experiences, we must learn to be focused in what we say and how we say it. We have a great responsibility. Words matter because they steer thought.

In my experience, there is no time in the 4th Dimension. There is simply space between occurrances. That's why it's possible to time travel. When we can master movement of consciousness without limitation or hesitation, then we travel instanteously. We overcome the distance between the spaces where the past is simply separated from the present by the speed of light. That's why its still possible to see the 'BigBang' and everything that happened since.

As a third dimensional being, we'll get tasters of this experience in different ways - timelessness for example, creating at the speed of thought, overcoming physical limitation. Some will become able to project their consciousness at will into different spaces and 'time' - astral projection for example. It just depends on whether or not we keep allowing ourselves to be determined by 3rd Dimensional wants, needs and desires. Give it all up and the universe awaits you!

Chris

To be honest guys, I don't feel much progress going on this thread. So I will move away until perhaps the next cycle if needed.

I can see that I am just not in the mood to be convinced of anything.

Trinity,

I am uniquely one. There is no separation of any kind. I can't intellectualise this truth. I can only stand completely singular within it.
How is it experienced?
With utmost gentleness, openness and willingness to listen.

Chris,

How I make another FEEL is equally if not more important than the words I convey.
Time is what I associate with ego..... similar to how echart tolle conveys it. Time and ego are similar concepts.
Space is what I associate with absoluteness of things. There is the absolute truth and then there is *my* absolute truth. The collapse of space is where the 'I' has died moved through the emptyiness and is born again as the real Self....unique and one.
There is only the experience of absoluteness on the other side (i.e. love). There may be the memory of fear but there is no fear.

The biggest problem I had with the collapse with space, was accepting (in experience not just understanding) that I don't have all the answers. Even what I see as absolute truth is not the absolute truth.

My opinion is that this thread is a side track for both of you to comtemplate. My suggestion is dump the "convincing" vibe. It can more confusion then all the misdirected words.

I am leaving now. I came here, stepped into your world and truth, expereinced a little and moved out and then shared my truth from where I am.
Soul contracts always go both ways my friends

love
Kristian

Thank you for your comment and sharing Chris. I find this a fascinating subject and very interesting to read your post. I believe that you and I have come from entirely different back grounds (different ends of the spectrum in many ways), yet arrived at very similar realisations through direct experience.

x

Kristian,

I for one am enjoying sharing my personal observations and experience of the forth dimension. I have no desire or inclination to convince anyone about them. I simply enjoy sharing on this particular matter. From my perspective the sharing was going quite well.

You are not the only person reading this. If sharing helps just one person out there find a deeper understanding of their own experience then I feel deeply honoured to have shared. If it helps me to find more appropriate words to describe something then I benefit enormously too.

I sense that it is time for you to 'step out' too. If you are feeling confusion abound then perhaps it might be an invitation for you not to add to it further.

With Love
Trinity
x

Thats a very noble cause Trinity, but I have to say the only one out here right now is 'me'.... the reflection in the mirror.

I have no wish to be seen as a reflection. Reflections still feed a sense of separation.

I am stepping out not because I am confused. I am stepping out because I wish only to feel the oneness of all.

Kristian

Kristian, who is it who wants only to feel the oneness of all?

The "team" are offering a bit of love and compassion all wrapped up with a little festive humour. This one's for you...

Chris

Chris...and who sees and asks?

I tell you this...not me...your story.....

And here's "me" thinking you and yours might see the funny side!
Chris

That's so funny!
Thank heaven's for relativity :angel:

Chris, I rejected the funny side.
I chose the serious side.

Yes trinity, I am all about giving up relativity and going into la la land..

I leave you two to play in the universal mind.

Kristian

Sounds like an exciting journey of discovery. I wish you well and fun Kristian. Or nothingness...

With Love
Trinity

"I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." Michelangelo

No fun here Trinity. I choose to be deleted.

enjoy your discovering and saving your angels.

Kristian

For anyone else reading this thread, perhaps you may appreciate the difficult path we sometimes tread. We (Openhand) have laboured long and hard to peel away layers of distortion over many life-times. Now we have a role to perform - being a mirror. It's not at all an easy role. And we don't claim to be perfect but we work very hard and honestly in what we do with great integrity.

We leave no stone unturned in our quest to assist humanity into the higher paradigm of harmony. Sometimes we have to break apart a lower harmony to make space for a higher one to flourish and so mostly our work is neither seen nor appreciated for what it really is. Cest la vie.

We make no apologies for pushing buttons. This is our gift to you all. We will not shirk from this duty even if that means sometimes the messenger gets shot at. If you find a tightness arising within as a result of what we say or do, the invitation is to realise we are not the cause of it. Something inside the tightness itself is. We are simply here to help expose it.

We're not perfect at what we do and we will always look for more sophisticated ways of dealing with situations. So maybe you'll have patience with us as we find ever better ways of being mirrors.

Much love to you all!

Chris

Hi guys,

I read the thread and I totally *do* appreciate your role and I welcome that mirror (to the best of my ability) because I'm aware of the enormous gift of it. It's a totally blessing when we can invite this process with safe people such you folks. It's actually the path of least resistance and this opportunity is very rare. I suspect that it might only show up as such a whisper in an unsuspecting discussion when we are ready to catalize our evolution. And if we don't notice that whisper of opportunity, then we tend to opt for the scenic route which typically involves a lot more suffering.

"The 4th dimension is the place where we create whatever it is we want to create. This is also the place that we remain 'forever stuck' in our journey of evolution until we realise that those 'wants' are keeping us locked in the lower densities. It is those wants and desires (rather than the authentic yearning of the soul) that make us create a reality that is not aligned with the flow back to the source. This is the place that we do not evolve beyond until we have processed all of our karma."

Thank you for this key insight, Trinity. I feel that I've been processing a lot of lessons the past few years and that I've deliberately invoked the universe to *bring it on* on some level.

Much love, Lisa