Hi Kat,

A great question indeed!!!

I find it fascinating when people say there is no absolute truth - no one truth. That there is only our individual truth. When I hear this I say..."imagine everyone in the universe had their own truth, is this not truth? In other words, there is a truth - ONE TRUTH - that everyone has their own truth!!!"

In my truth, there is absolute truth. In other words that everything is one. That it all came from a condition of Unity - Singularity. That there is only one being in the universe - the presence from which all this arose. And there is also relative truth. So that being expresses through a myriad of unique souls each having a unique experience achieved by creating the illusion of separateness. So it is like we're being the ocean AND AT THE SAME TIME a wave on the ocean.

Some people are so engrossed in their particular wave that they forgot they are really the ocean. In other words they only believe in relative truth.

But you know what? Absolute truth is not a belief system. It is impossible to persuade someone it exists because it can ONLY be experienced. The key is when people say they don't believe in absolute truth, that's exactly the point - it is not a belief!!! It is a pure and simple knowing. You are either at a point in your evolution where you know it or you don't.

So yes, truth is truth and there is only one absolute truth AND there is also relative truth - one for each of us. Like there is only one absolute authentic reality but we each experience it differently - we may each view that reality in a particular way. It's as if we're all stood on top of the same mountain looking at the same view but each wearing sunglasses with different coloured tints. The view is the same but to each of us it looks slightly different.

Does that make sense to you?
Do you feel absolute truth yourself?

Chris

God Chris. You are such a God send!! You asked me whether I experience absolute truth myself. All I can say is that I experience soemthing so profound in my heart and in my soul and I havn't got a clue what it is. It's a mystery to me and it's so delicate, fragile and incredibly beautiful. I also sense or "see" it when I look at nature or any other life form and I absolutely love it to bits and I don't know how to explain it to anyone, because it is so incredible and it touches my heart and I am so in love with it. I don't like to give it a name because that just seems to ruin it. I think to experience it ones heart has to have been well and truly cracked open. Thank you Chris. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said. What more can I say? ...... Thank you for your presence and love in my llfe. Bless you. xxx

Thankyou for you kind words. I am humbled.

When I feel your personal expression of absolute truth, I see a gentle flower softly unfurling its petals. I see this as a path to the absolute - the Seer - in you.

You see if we try to grasp the presence within us too hard, then we form an identity around it and crush it. Or its like a child trying to grasp at a helium filled balloon, never quite reaching it, the balloon always dancing just out of reach.

You speak of nature. Yes there are countless metaphors in nature that show us the difference between absolute and relative truth. Consider the Kingfisher. It heads for a fish it sees in the water, but because light is refracted (bends) when it leaves the surface of the water, the bird never actually sees the location of the fish. It only sees the focul point of the light. And it simply knows that at some point on its trajectory, it must release its illusionary target, drop through the surface of the water and realise its goal.

This is just such a brilliant metaphor for the soul. The soul is our trajectory to an illusionary target - the experience of being the One. Why is the target illusionary? Because we can't experience the One if that's all there is. So we created a perceived duality. We head for a target of ever increasing oneness but at some point we drop through the illusion - the world of the relative. We step through the surface and into the absolute. We taste the Seer for the first time - an experienceless experience. Our goal has been realised. We've caught the fish.

Now we have ever refining and focussing experiences in the relative world to see, experience and taste the absolute. And at the core of the experiences we have, there will always be the experienceless experience.

Yes its a paradox. A conundrum. It's how we managed to create the experience of life from nothing. Its a miracle indeed!!!

Chris

Thank you. I am TRULY humbled...

Ps. Just want to say that today I feel hope in the air for all of mankind. Here in beautiful, back of beyond North Wales, the sky is blue and the birds are singing. Bless you and Trinity

fascinating conversation guys!
It does feel to me that, like you say, there seem to be two apparent states of being - the relative and the Absolute: Experience and Non-experience (Pure Presence).

What I feel is that while we each have an individual truth to follow or path to walk, paradoxically all our 'individual truths' are in fact all one truth anyway, or 'parts' of the One Truth. connected. They aren't separate yet they can feel separate. I think it's kind of what you were getting at Chris anyway - How we created separation to experience Ourselves but that both relative and absolute experience are encompassed in Absolute Truth, in fact both ARE Absolute Truth (one is just experience through a filter and the other not).

It feels to me that all seemingly individual truths somehow flow from the same place and constantly feed back to that place too - a centre point (that is also everywhere at the same time!)

So as more and more people live 'in truth' the flow back and forth is less and less constrained and a monumentous awe-inspiring symphony may be created, as the individual truths dance and flow together!
Presumably more harmony is created from this because, unrestrained, these truths are closer to the vibration of Absolute Truth. Interestingly though I feel that even people not living in harmony are somehow accounted for one way or another, and enfolded into the great weave. So from apparent chaos there is a divine order after all.

Sometimes people doubt, or fear to express, their own (individual) truth, even when they know inside what's right. They worry if to follow their truth might be somehow selfish or hurt others. When you look at the bigger picture though its difficult to predict what the (external) outcome of expressing your truth might be really. Maybe by being apparently 'unkind' on the surface (but from a place of authenticity) and saying 'No' to someone, you may actually be saying a big 'Yes'! to their journey of self-realisation.
The way I see it though, in authentically following what really feels true inside (which is different from doing what we 'want' or 'feel like' doing!) you are allowing the flow that connects all truths together, and helping to facilitate a greater harmony. Therefore by living in truth you participate in the return to Truth and harmony for the whole of the Universe! When a fly lands on a section of a spider's web, the whole web feels it! As does the spider.

Many great points Ben. Thanks for adding weight to the discussion.

In contemplating the paradox of being infinite potential and a unique expression of that simultaneously, I've found the quote below extremely useful...

"To be AND not to be....that is the answer!!!

Chris

The subject of truth is an interesting one in that just because someone is saying that they are simply expressing "their truth" doesn't necessarily mean it is "their truth" and this is where I have been blasted out of the way at times for challenging what I see as anything but someone's truth. For instance, on a couple of spiritual forums, I have often observed poeple talking away about stuff which, as far as I understand Truth to be, is completely off the mark and when I have challenged this, well you can imagine ... For instance the other day, someone was channelling a unicorn who started talking about a past life here on earth and then gave some info on something or other which had no depth to it whatsoever. I just couldn't stop laughing and as I like to laugh and joke I replied in a somewhat tongue in cheek manner. Well surprise, surprise, I got hammered for it. So even though someone is communicating their truth, it may be just something they have bought into and are just regurgitating it. Kat xx

"Yet I keep on hearing others say that there is no "Absolute Truth" and that it is all subjective, that is, my truth and your truth and there is no "Truth".I know and I respect that there are many many paths to realise "Truth" but at the end of the day surely Truth is Truth. I would welcome any comments. Bless you all. xxx"

Hi Kat,

These are great answers. I would just like to comment from the perspective of these others you mention, as i spend most of my time from this place then from the "absolute" perspective.

My message is not to confuse but to basically convey that life is bigger that anyone here can imagine.

Those who talk about personal truth are talking about living truth or creating truth.

When you watch life unfold you can imagine yourself walking in a forward direction backwards.
All of life simply flows through you as you walk backwards into potential and you watch it all happen openly "in front of you"

Now imagine you are actually walking forward.
What do you see?
You can't see anything, because all of it is still in pure potential. All is within All. Nothing is really relative to anything else as it hasn't unfolded.
What you "experience" is more about who you choose to hear within All.
It is more like you are creating the path.

So a person walking with a backwards compared to a forwards perspective will use very different pointers to explain the same "thing".

one will describe it as choosing yourself, another being yourself.
One will describe it as all knowing, another as still seeking to know.

Life is actually hugh, and even what we think as distortion, may not be.

Kristian

My take on Truth is this: The Truth is unknowable - beyond the capacity of human intellect. That's why attempting to define Truth causes confusion. For me the answer is to have faith in the Truth without knowledge of it - to feel it in your heart without needing to understand it. As you say Katerina, give it a name and you ruin it; as you say Chris, give it an identity and you crush it.

Is this not the problem with human kind? We rely on our intellect - animals trust their instincts. Look who survived when the last tsunami struck.

Clive

Wise words Clive!

During my awakening experience the universe 'fell away' and all that remained was the absolute. It is, as you say, beyond the capacity of human intellect. I often feel that is the human intellect that stands in the way.

And 'my' truth is the authentic expression of my soul, which is ever yearning to be absolutely aligned with the absolute truth.

Trinity