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Survival tips

Well, the things are not 'that bad' yet and might not get that bad ever, but it feels like getting my survival 'cookbook' ready, just in case, and I share here whatever info one might need when it comes to survival.

Ususally, unlike all the important can't do without long list of stuff average person might feel he needs, when it comes to survival, there are only 4 things needed and sought after during tough times, in order of decreasing importance: drinkable water, food, staying warm when it is cold outside and 'disinfection'.

Well why water and food are necessary I think it is obvious...

Staying warm - immune system, especially if it is already weakened by 'stress', poor diet Smile and all that

Disinfection - while it is not so vital when it comes to rather 'clean' environment, when things get tough ususally it is accompanied by all kinds of diseases spreading (like we had cholera strike in Ukrain in 90's) and having some cleansing products and taking certain precautions can be vital during such times.

By the way all these can be used and done without necessarily having to do with survival Smile There are things that can be done today, just as a more Earth-friendly way of living...

Ok...

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I am sharing here the 'lessons' from what happened in Ukraine in 90's after the reform, and what we did to 'make' it. But in any case, feeling out for yourself in a specific situation is the thing. But I think this info is good to be available in any case. And no fear! Smile Just to be aware...

Now all these are relevant when the things get REALLY bad, when there is hunger and mass despair and extreme survival going on, no proper nutrition, no water and soap to wash and clean hands, bodies, clothes and surfaces.

There are many factors that cause it, but what happens when things become tough around is diseases, epidemics and all kinds of contageous things happening. It has to do with fear and stress (so keeping calm, focused and 'in peace' in the background are important), with hunger or malnutrition and with depression (people lose what they were attached to, so if there are some attachments to the matrix, like I have this sadness that there might be no movies anymore hhhh, then it is a good time to let go Smile )

So if you're in the 'forest' and away from humans, you can do without, but if you keep 'touching the surfaces' and 'breathing the public air' during 'hard times' precautions and disinfection become really vital.

Another important thing is water. It becomes not safe to drink the water as it is, wherever it comes from in human habitated environment. So boiling the drinking water becomes every day routine.

No need to say that using unknown and public dishes is something to be avoided.

And in general it is better to avoid public spaces, like 'touchy' places or close, tight and stuffy areas.

Some tips:

* Better wee on the street, hide behind the bushed Biggrin
* Walk or bike rather than take bus or train (we still had public transport back then and it was really nasty and extreme from all possible perspectives)
* It is better be in some well ventilated and as less populated area as possible (if it fits the pull Smile )
* 'Touch' as less as possible, I mean any 'public' surfaces

Showering also becomes something quite luxury (like we had no water/electricity/gas supply), and also highly important, as the immune system weakens, the balance can be disrupted and all kinds of bacteria, which might even be part of our natural skin inhabitants, may become overpopulated and cause some really not nice conditions. Plus the environment becomes not so natural and human-body friendly, so it is good to wash the body and the clothes once in a while (like once in one-two weeks at least). And doing laundry especially, because stuff 'sticks' to the clothes.

This is when it becomes good to know all kinds of natural remedies for wounds, colds, and disinfectants, including natural soaps.

So in the next post I will write about what can be done if there is no soap around anymore.

And again, I'll say that we might not get that 'far', but even if we do, then not so soon, and then keep in mind that this is just a transition, not a final stop, and flow throught it. All these things I am writing here are for the worst scenario possible, and even if it happens, we know what to do by listening to our hearts and also having some info about what can be done Wink

Thank you for this post Yulia, I have learnt quite a bit from it Smile

I read before somewhere you mentioned you lived a difficult period of social unrest (probably in Russia), I wonder if you could share a little more of what you experienced during that time. Although I'd like to get real about what is likely to happen, sometimes it's difficult because I've never experienced any social unrest. I've lived my life so far at a time China has enjoyed incredible political and social stability, but I feel things are about to change.

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You sound well trained from first hand experience already Yulia. Great awareness.

Shelter is important.

An excellent, portable shelter from the harsh elements (snow, rain, wind) is the british army goretex bivvy bag. It is a must have in any survival kit. It is basically a large goretex (high quality waterproofing) bag large enough fit a sleeping bag in.

Chris and I hiked up Mount Sinai in the middle of the dessert a few years ago. The locals thought we were mad when we told them we were sleeping on the summit. They hadn't yet met the bivvy bag! It rained and snowed on us all night long (the weather changes rapidly up there) and we were snug and toastie all night. Chris camps out in the bivvy in all kinds of weather on a regular basis. It rolls up much smaller than the smallest tent.

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Getting prepared:

One of the things that one can do already today is pre-train the body - tempering it to hunger and cold, get the immune and nervous system ready.

Food

Eating less

It is not a secret already that we need ~1/-5-1/4 quantity of food of what average person consumes, or even less. The 'overeating' has to do with constant stress, suppressing the emotional noise, deriving 'dense' kind of pleasure from the food, and reducing sensitivity, plus media supporting it, it is a huge 'golden mine' rolling huge ammounts of money and I won't mention the control and power there.

It is actually a legal drug, with all the possible drug-like mechanisms around it.

So feeling out and changing 'lifestyle' to the heart-led way of living can bring one to the more balanced ways, and much less food consumption.

Spiritual practices, like meditation, tai chi, yoga, or some spontaneous body and awareness combined into some practice reduce the craving, as the body is 'fed and nourished' in other ways than food.

Grounding, centering and relaxing make a big difference, since for many, including me, the food is one of the ways to ground, and other ways can be practiced for that effect.

The quantities of food needed decay in an almost surreal way for me (the money too).

For example, my shopping looks entirely different now: something like 7 apples, 7 bananas, 7 tomatoes, 7 cucumbers, 1 lettuce, 2 batatas, some lentils, 500 gr nuts, 1 rice milk. 500 gr coconut butter, tahini and nut spread per month and 1 jar of fruit sugar-free jam per 2 weeks. (So translating it to money - from 400-500 nis it went to 100-120 nis per week)

Making it simple: I observe many 'intuitive people' going really simple during recent year, including me (and I was a really 'gourmet chef' once Biggrin ). From some complicated 'comfort' dishes to really simple, one pot two/three ingredients dishes. And raw-foodism keeps growing and spreading naturally. Many people around me all eat salads somehow, without any intention or idea, it is just happening.

Fasting - fasting one day per week reduces the food consumption in 1/7th part :), detoxifying, well the list of what 'good' it does is long, but in this context it is a good way to train and temper the body. And fasting can be varied in its length and way: from 1 to 30 days, it can be done without eating AND drinking, with drinking water only, herbal teas, juices, shakes, fluids, or one certain detoxifying type of food, like watermelon, apples, etc Well whatever feels right...

Washing:

...the body

Not showering at all: Naturally the body is strong enough and has its own cleaning, immune and desinfecting mechanisms which are turned off by us intervening.

We can activate these mechanisms back by gradually stopping this intervention.

For example, there are people on Earth who don't shower for months, if at all, and the only body ritual they perform is spreading oil on their bodies to keep them warm (chukchi) and... they are stil alive Biggrin

So there is nothing to worry about even if no possibility to shower will be presented at all. Human body can do without Smile

How can we train the body to be unwashed again: well, just stop showering so much, especially in the winter or if you're not really dirty/sweaty. Gradually reduce until you get to once a week/month or whatever feels comfortable, maybe not at all Biggrin

This winter I showered only when I was really dirty, and was without shower one month. I only washed selectively and washed hair separately using bending over method Biggrin and also when hair was already really dirty and not when it lost its 'Pantene Pro-V shine' Biggrin

And guess what! Nothing happened.

Also showering without soap, which is usually, in natural conditions, really not needed at all!! For the most of the body for most people, it is ok not to use soap. Now in summer it is very hot here, sticky and sweaty, so I wash myself with cold water twice a day, morning and evening. No soap on most of the body.

And I am considering to try to beging to get used to the sticky feeling. Who said it is wrong to be sticky? People all around the world work hard and get sticky and don't shower as much as we do. It is just a habit, to be not sticky Biggrin

Anyway, it is the matter of social environment and climate, I can't go stinky here, yet Smile , so my experiments went as far as leaving most of the body as it is, but one can try to go further and test no-soap at all variations (except hand washing).

Saliva is widely used for cleaning 'selective parts' of the bodies by both animals and humans (it is a mild base and a natural cleaning substance).

Soap plants - can be used for liquid soap preparation, shampoos and for laundry.

Soapy plants - plants high in saponin.

Soapwort, clematis, yucca, agave, Spanish bayonet, stool, Joshua tree... (you can search and see how they look...)

The root contains the most saponins, but use of the root kills the plant, so better stick to leaves , flowers, berries, fruits, etc. It is good to dry and store them , since there is a specific harvesting time, but you’ll need the soap throughout the year.

In general you can either ‘cook’ yourself a liquid soap OR pound and soak the leaves for fiber to make cordage, and the soaking water will contain sufficient saponins for bathing.

Example of cooking a soap:

Bouncing Bet, otherwise known as soapwort or Saponaria officinalis. Can be planted, is invasive, so better watch it.

Harvesting time - late summer to fall.

To be used fresh or dried.

Soapmaking (I cite):

Add 1/2 cup of fresh leaves and/or root (or 1/4 cup dried) to 4 cups of water (preferably distilled or rain water) and simmer until it becomes sudsy, about 20 minutes. Strain and cool. Add essential oils. The shelf life for this mixture is about 1 week. You can also use this as a mild shampoo, but be careful about getting it in your eyes as it can be irritating.

My note: adding such essential oils as lavender and rosemary, and storing in a cool place make the shelf life of anything longer.

It is poisonous, so do not ingest. Irritative for eyes, so careful when hair washing and better not use as a facial soap.

Desinfecting and cleaning plants and substances
If no soapy plants are around, or you're really in the wild and have no 'garden' in which stuff grows, you can look for and use:

Lavender, rosemary (these are used for centuries in bathing and laundry), chammomile, eucalyptus leaves, olive tree leaves, calendula, aloe vera juice, plantago, mint, peppermint, and simply salt or sea-water (washed with usual water after), wood ash can be used CAREFULLY (as it is anti-infectant, anti-fungal and epithalization/skin-repair remedy, but it needs some VERY carefull way of dealing with, better not use it 'frivolously'), welll there are many things one can do and use

Even raw potatoes can be used, as they are rich in vitamin C... So really, no worries! Biggrin

All these are actually also great disinfectants if you got injured or cut and need some remedy.

I saw plantago all over UK, it is everywhere, growing by the footpaths, suggesting itself to help any injured traveller Smile

We used them in Ukrain, better than any chemical they can sell there. You just need to chew or rub it a bit so teh juice is out and apply it to the wound.

Teeth

Well, what are we gonna do without all those colorfull shelves covered with toothbsrushes and toothpastes?

If no brush is avalaible - you can use fingers and nails (after washing your hands), or clean cloth, can make small toothpicks from whatever wooden lying on the ground.

Plants - well, all those plants listed above can do, just don't swallow, you can use them as they are, rub them a little and then rub them in teeth, tongue and gums, carefully, especially if the leaves are not soft. Or rub the leaves into rough paste and then rub with cloth or finger. you can dry and make it a powder, add them to salt or a few drops of salt- or sea-water (till the paste consistency).

Salt, salt water and sea-water can do by themselves, without plants too.

Wood ash can be used carefully and for really short periods of time (it is whitening too, but also damaging enamel if used for too long).

And anyway, when we stop eating all this trash full of sugar, carbohydrates and additives, we naturally will need less 'assistance' there, as long as we eat relatively ok.

Preparing for cold/hot

Cold.

My mom used to get me out with panties only to the balcony for reasonable periods of time in cold Russian winters when I was a kid, to make me strong if I don't die Biggrin

And I didn't suffer at all, as long as I moved and played.

So one of the ways to temper, not a big secret, is to be cold/hot and get used to it Biggrin

I shower with cold water, or alternate between hot/cold.

These two are different. The latter trains the body to temperature gradients and changes, which is also very important, for example, you ran, got hot, sweating and then cold wind blew at ya. Alternating shower is the one that will prevent bronchitis developing in such circumstances Biggrin

I know people here who keep going into the sea in winter all their life. A good one, I will try it this year.

Getting wet in rain - not such a horrible thing, I got wet and soaked wet so many times, and nothing happened.

I think the biggest problem is getting wet and then sitting all day at school, all wet, but as long as the body is moving it can keep itself relatively warm. But it can be a good training: running or dancing in rain without unbrella. But it is better be done after gaining some immune system strength by cold showers, cleaning and detoxing the body, etc

Removing layers - gradually, getting used to wear less warm clothes. The body can balance the temperature much batter than we think.

Physical activity - if in the morning some body activity is done, especially with thighs and abs 'activated', the body will be much warmer during the day.

Oil application - natives who live in very cold areas apply oil over their bodies. It has some insulation effect.

Massage - another way to warm the body, it can be self-massage too.

Sleeping when cold - well this is the most challenging, because you can solve being cold during the day by moving, but when you sleep moving is a bit problematic. Fire can halp if you're outside. If there are no blankets, puting a pile of clothes or paper can help, getting under or into some box (with some ventilation holes), and breathing in there (the breath will warm the air), cover with DRY ground/sand, dry leaves. HUGS!!! Biggrin No, really, sleeping many people together will be much warmer. Animals are welcome too Smile

If it gets too tough, then sleeping during the day when it is warmer can be considered.

Well, you know, in general, just find some really cold stream/lake/pond and get in there two times a day and stay for a while, relax Smile Maybe cold bath instead of hot once a week, if it feels like...

Hot

Not less challenging than cold. Here in Israel we have now air-conditioning everywhere, but what are people going to do if no air-conditioning can be 'supplied' anymore. Remember the 'heat-strike' in Europe?

And what if there are not going to be unlimited ammounts of water anymore?

Well, it can be time to try to turn air-conditining off and begin to get used to the feeling. And here at the moment you don't need to do anything. You sit, don't move and sweat. And carefully test the drinking limits. How much water do I really need in such conditions? No need to do a combat training with survival quest, but just see how much I really need, feel it out.

I found, for example, that I need less than what I was told - 2-2.5 litres of water a day. I can do with less and feel great.

It was amazing to see how when Dani was working in gardening during his student years, he had one arab friend who worked with him in the summer, in the hottest month, no food or drink during Ramadan, hard physical work under burning sun, and nothing happened! The body can do it!

It is the mind and the conditioning that limit our physical abilities, strength and endurance. We know we are capable of much more in extreme situations.

So I now don't have a problem with walking for hours in extreme heat with really small ammounts of water and feel perfectly fine.

It can be done.

Matrixy stuff

Some of people might be stressed by suddenly being cut from supply. Many are so attached to clothes, cosmetics, to the image of how we should look and be, also from the pleasure and freedom of playing with their style and image, well all this media and society brain wash. And also they might cover on their low self-esteem or feeling not beautiful or whatever, again partially because of all that role-model image. This cut can be traumatic for many people, especially women.

While you might think that when things get really 'ugly' people won't care, but the thing is that they do and it makes their life very hard and miserable (I saw it happening).

So for those ready to let all this go, it could be even funny to start breaking all these 'patterns', attachments and build some heart-based flexible 'image' of our own. Like what happened to me during recent years, that my 'style' went totally different, maybe weird sometimes, based on 'simple and comfortable', but still reflecting some of my own energy. It was just what feels right, and that's all. Today I don't care what people think, and sometimes I am being tested and brought to wear something really peculiar and go around like this processing the tightness Biggrin

The side-effect of it that I ended up with ~1/5 of what I used to have/use, and I can clearly see that there is at least another 1/3 of what's left to let go yet. I mean everything, clothes, dishes, cleaning substances, everything.

During my two weeks in Wales and Zurich I saw how I have this 56*35 backpack on me and I really didn't need more clothes/shoes for summer/autumn weather, than what was already there. Funny.

So if really following the heart and feeling out what is really needed/necessary and what is not and shedding those layers, concepts, ideals, attachments to pleasures, processing the ‘bugs’ and fears, gaining self-trust and self-confidence, i.e. listening and trusting the inner 'voice', inner guidance system, and 'shifting attention from physicality to the soul, and then letting the soul guide the physicality, in combination with Mother Earth guidance, can make the change gradual and even enjoyable, as it was and is for me.

So, while all that is happening can maybe scare or seem really dark, but just like Chris wrote in today's great article, we can also use it as a fuel to self-inquiry, self-discovery, self-liberation and finally look ourselves in the eyes.

All these which I now see as 'preparations' happening to me during recent years, happened to me as a part of natural evolution. And you can now explore your own limits and abilities on the background of all that is happening now.

With love,
Yulia

(I'll add more tips with time)

Hi Yulia

These are brilliant. You and the team could put together an Openhand Survival Guide to get us all thru the times ahead!

I will keep a look out for plantago when I'm out and about.

Isn't it amazing how often our experiences seems to be a preparation for something in the future that we don't know about yet - I have found that many times in my life. How all the pieces fit together!

Many thanks

Becky x

Wow!! Yulia, you're like a miracle! Biggrin thank you for the all information, I'm going to read them very carefully, your posts have arisen in me a desire to learn more about extreme survival.. Smile

And thanks Trinity for the excellent tip, I'll definitely get one of those bags too! I should also mention that I've just got my visa for the UK today! I'll be in Glastonbury for the Openhand workshop in September and I will be spending my entire 2012 in the UK, how incredible all this is! And how incredible it is to be back in the UK when the world is entering a turbulent time! Certainly the hand of benevolence has been at work that I got my visa so smoothly and quickly. I can't wait to meet you, Chris, Dave and Lesley! Wow, a sense of excitation now!

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Thats awesome Lei, look forward to meeting you too.

Smile

David

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Hey Trin, thanks for the BIVVY BAG info, sounds much better than my boxes and leaves heeheehee Biggrin I'll go look for it now...

I am not sure whether it has some value to share it really, but I will anyway, since it seems to me that there will be some similar (but no way the same) process going on for a while before the final breakdown and a total frame of reference collapse. So here it goes:

Well, what happened in former USSR was so dramatic, that most of small 'countries', including Ukraine, didn't recover till this very day! the most of former USSR area is 3d world area, actually.

USSR fell apart, money which could buy 3 rooms apartment and car turned to one loaf cost. People were saving during all their lives and one shiny day - they have nothing.

Everything went totally unstable in Ukraine, there was no money, we were getting these kupons (like tickets) for food. But there was no food (well this problem was always in USSR really, the instability of supply in government stores). Then came some 'money' unit, and they printed some funny papers. But people didn't get paid for their jobs for many months to follow, the government was unstable, everything was unstable, everything crumbled down literally in one day. It was shock, massive shock.

And then it has begun. The 'horror'.

The first thing that happened is crime strike. Police was totally not functioning and very fast themselves turned into organized criminal gangs. We were surrounded by criminals, who were stealing, beating, killing, raping, whatever you want all around, everywhere.

You couldn't go out the street and be quiet. After the dark was falling, all people were trying to be at home and lock the door really well.

I forgot what night walk was like until I got to Israel. You could get attacked (like be hit with a rock on a head, stabbed, pushed down the stairs, beaten with sticks or legs) , injured or killed for a HAT! (it really happened). There was no safety at all back then. People were attacked and robbed in the middle of the day in the middle of the street, in buses, in public places, everywhere. All kinds of weird thing were happening. Children were disappearing. Part of them were brought back for money or bottle of vodka (this is not a joke!)

Another example: They could take your bag from you, and then knock on your door, bring only the documents back and demand money and vodka for that Biggrin

Buses were national exhibit number 1. They were so stuffed that hands were waving out of windows (I don’t exaggerate), the driver couldn’t shut the doors because people were trying to get in, hold somehow and falling out (you’ll ask why... becaaaause they were waiting for hours for the bus to come and didn’t know when the next will arrive, and it was cold, very cold).

In these conditions, all kinds of scenarios were going on and there are many jokes on this topic. But one of the things is that people were holding their bags really tight and close to them, but the burglars were cutting the bottom of the bags and emptying them. Imagine how tight it was there if people couldn’t even feel all this happening. And of course, if you’re lucky then wait for visitors later, with your documents ... Hello! Smile

You couldn’t pass borders between towns, there were ‘checkpoints’ with gangs with shotguns who were taking money for allowing people to pass, some of the gangs were police-gangs.

Police could stop a car and accuse the driver of things he never did to make him/her pay.

Then there were gang or gangs-vs-police wars (over control areas of course, not for the justice), shootings and killings in the middle of the day. You could hire some ‘protection’ if you really needed, but then you had to find somebody who will not rob you himself. My mom found some ex-policeman who was ‘protecting us’ for a while, really bizarre mate he was.

Also if the gang would suspect that certain people have some money, they were stocking them and then invading into their living environment, robbing, beating, etc. This is why when we got being stocked, my mom bought three dogs, who were scaringly barking and kept the ‘guests’ away. But they really were only barking, so if they were breaking in, then they would lick them. It would be quite a funny picture, ha?

Well there are many stories around it all, like how we were getting out of the country, my mom really had to become a genius strategist for that. We were stocked, followed, intimidated and did some crazy tricks to lose the tail and make it…

There was a split in the society – into those ‘dying’ of hunger and those who made it and lived rather well. Many people were living on bread and water for months, and were grateful for that. Others bought funny stuff like video-tapes and all that.

Funny, but once the Azov sea, which was the sea in my home-town, was rich and full of life, so people could survive on it during hard times… if the metallurgic industry spilling all the waste to the water didn’t cause to death and fleeing of any life-forms there during precedent years.

In government stores the food was supplied on/off, with long infinite lines, you know, of the type with the product ending when your turn comes after 3-5 hours of waiting. But there was a growth of private businesses, private stores and markets, where you could find anything, at some point it was really abundant, and the West made its way with Pepsi-colas, rich in chemicals chocolate bars and snacks and all these things, which were amazing back then. Everything was new and colorful (for us kids and teenagers). The problem was that too many people couldn’t afford even the basic products.

Since people were not paid, very soon most of people went out to the market to sell and buy, buy and sell to survive. I for example was standing and selling at the desk near my school art-teacher, who also was selling something. And we were paying the gangs for allowing us to sell stuff there. My mom was leaving me to sell things and was doing other business in the meantime. I was 12-13, but I was really small relatively to this age, I was skinny and childlike. I wasn’t 'corrupted' yet by all this women’s things, like other girls my age, like by lipsticks and skirts. I mean I was more like 11-12. So it was really interesting for me all this new adventure.

And people around in the market too were more excited than desperate, they were all doing whatever they could. Running here... running there... Well going out with men for money was absolutely ‘normal’. People were establishing businesses and wealths Biggrin that were crumbling and new businesses were growing…

There were other possibilities, like money exchange, buying stuff somewhere, like in Romania and then selling it in Ukraine (like my mom did).. It was risky and hard, and eventually we had some weeks of hunger (I mean no food at all! We emptied all the supplies, empty shelves…), my mom’s friends brought some apples and we were granted some piece of cake once during this time, which was not for too long. And later when we started selling everything before we left the country, it flipped and we had everything and more than needed, except the safety, stable water, electricity and gas Smile

In addition to crime, violence and total insanity around and this market-based life there was hunger, narcomania and alcoholism strike, unsanitary conditions and contagious diseases spreading.

People were lying on the streets in dirt and pee, who knew if they were alive or dead. My mom brought one of them to our home and put him where we were supposed to sleep. It is one of the most traumatic experiences of my life, to process yet. Btw, we were living in 1-room apartment for years, 3 of us and my mom’s switching boyfriends. Quite an experience Smile

Already corrupted system became even more corrupted. You couldn’t get a new passport after your old one was stolen if you didn’t have dollars to pay the clerk for it (well the clerk had to eat). Any position was used to get money form it (since the government didn’t pay at all), everything was bribery-based, and even later when the payment began to occur, it was so few, that one couldn’t survive on it, so it kept going.

We had water, electricity and gas on/off, sometimes they were all cut off together, it was especially interesting in winter, we were going around with coats, hats scarves, gloves and boots at home, can you imagine? Really funny Biggrin

So if it was with announcement, we were storing water in buckets, pots, glasses, everywhere. And also sometimes there was water downstairs, on the street, there was a tap, we were going down the stairs, with buckets to get water and climbing up back with the buckets.

The luxury-shower was standing near the bucket and pouring the water on myself with a dipper, then soaping selectively and pouring from the dipper again heehee Hair washing was a challenge, I had to make it with one, maximum two buckets.

It was really weird, because there was a total mess, dirt, fear, misery, depression all around, and at the same time young women and girls sold themselves only for lipsticks and new stockings, they did have all the rest. It was a total absurd. Can you get the irony of the cycle? Well it was crazy. Everything around was ugly, dirty, sick and people were going and buying themselves Chinese silk robes and porcelain! Heeheehee (Lei, greetings from Ukraine)

And then there was announcement to boil drinking water and not to drink from public glasses. I explain: before the breakdown, there were public glasses in shops and drinking automates, they were washed only with water, no soap (btw in USSR we washed dishes without soap! In warm water only), alcoholists and children were drinking from the same glasses hhh and PUTTING IT BACK! Biggrin Surreal, ha?!

Not after cholera and domestic syphilis outbreaks in 1994-95. This is why till today it is sometimes slightly tightening for me to see people drinking from the same bottle, using the same towels even within the family, grabbing on others’ plates, wearing others’ clothes and eating with hands after touching ‘public surfaces’ and all the other ‘normal’ stuff. And while I processed much of this, I still have an alarm system on with these, on some survival instinct level.

And of course no need to mention the death rates and a decrease in child-birth. There were many things, details, really sad, going around, and still are.

For example, people who went back to Ukraine for a visit found that most of their former classmates are either junkies or dead. Girls and women are literraly sold here in Israel. I had an add for three days on my Gmail: "want to choose and marry a beautiful Ukrainian girl?". This is insane! Also seeing people loosing their dignity, falling, doing things that you wouldn't believe they can, really sad.

What can I say, just to give a taste and a picture of how it was, in my family there was a sequence of deaths, not natural, like my grnadmother's sister and her son were burned alive in their house.

This was every day life. Scary? Not when it was happening. We were just dealing with it, everybody was busy with survival.

This is it.

And I don't expect anything less than this. But I don't know how it can possibly look on global scale. And also the change will not be so abrupt, more gradual, so it might be different. There will be chaos, and terrible things, but I was 'there', so it is not that bad when it is happening, you just make your way through it.

Non-identification and connection to the source (soul, guidance) for me are the keys, so I feel like something is really pushing me in the back now, come on, come ooon, JUMP!
Who? Where?!

Who knows, I get this pack and leave, pack and leave! pull landing on me, and it becomes really persistent. Where?? I don't know yet. It might be UK Wink So maybe we meet there, Lei :P

bye bye

Thanks Yulia for sharing some of your story there. Wow! You don't often get to hear about these things from someone who was actually there. That was such a vivid description - I can feel some of the fear and tension and adrenaline racing that become normal when you are living in such situations. And still find things to laugh about! It's incredible how resourceful people can be and how much we can take if we have to, and come through it with some humanity intact.

Love and respect to you!

Becky x

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Great thread to start Yulia - well done - I was wondering when something like this was going to come up. There's always the careful balance necessary between not spreading fear or alarm and at the same time the necessity to inform. Often it is basic little tips and advice which can literally mean the difference between life and death as the temperature gets turned up in society - as it inevitably will.

When I awoke, the last thing I felt would be of any kind of importance to my spiritual 'career' was my experience as an Officer in the Army and Commando survival training. I'd long since got rid of my kit on de-listing. What a surprise it was then when the strong guidance I started getting was to reinvest in some of my previous army equipment!

One of the wonderful things about being in the military was the proximity it brought me with nature. You literally have to blend and become a part of it. These days, I find myself being drawn out into nature a lot. I find myself doing a lot of energy work where I'm moving in an out of the 'matrix'. I might be in a town in the morning and camping out under the stars on some hill side in the evening.

To travel cheaply and yet to be able to stay in high energy environments, you have to get your camping field craft exactly right. I remember camping out with Trinity and our son Ocean up in the lake district - a beautiful wild camping environment with loads of wonderful energy. Yet during the night, a group of obviously drunken youths came very close by us. They found our car and smashed in one of the windows. Yet they would never have found us - we were really well concealed in amongst the trees under what's known as an Army 'basha' (see picture).

They're very inexpensive and can be erected easily, quickly and in countless environments. And unlike a tent, it has no sides so you can see out - which is a very important factor not only for safety but in being able to appreciate beautiful energetic countryside - I'm frequently camping high up on valley sides or mountain ledges.

In any kind of tenseness (and lets face it society is hardly peaceful these days), concealment and maintaining an aware yet low profile is absolutely essential.

For those who get involved in "Warriors of Truth" which is the Openhand level 5 course, I definitely feel to be sharing some of this information and skills - to enable people to move around freely, safely, cheaply and in a high energetic way. In fact I've just finished exploring a route around Devon and Cornwall which I feel to use as the final part of the course - it will involve a good deal of wild camping including spiritual ceremony to catalyse movements of energy in the field.

Chris

Wow, what timing, these are all things that have been arising in me lately... I have been slowly buying water and filling my jeep with it, I really like the basha, Ill look into that... Might I recommend also as food for thought, if you get in a ON THE FLY situation.. storing food is important... if your are a regular person, getting things in a grocery store some ideas would be... Raw oats, they are cheap and mix with water, excellent rounded source of nutrition. (a few spoon fulls would keep you going and is light to carry.You can buy huge sacks for cheap) also look into maybe soy protein/meal replacement, again very rounded nutritional value in a few teaspoons worth. and worse comes to worse, even peanut butter is something that if you had plenty of you could live off it... these are simple things that on the fly could be obtained and really stretched to live off of, for a duration of time, if that be the case...cans are good, if you have a storage place, but are heavy to carry around, you could put raw oats, or meal replacement powder in a backpack and stretch 10 or 20 lbs at ingesting a few teaspoons at a time for months...
-Bill

It's funny, when I spent 6 years back in the 70s living out on the west coast of Ireland, it always felt like I was practising for something! We had no running water initially, and got it from our stream. So washing wasn't a big priority, though once we acquired a Rayburn we could heat up a tin bathful every so often. Washing sheets and thicker clothes was tricky, especially in the winter - never really found an easy answer except to not bother. And yes, Yulia, I used plantago (or plantain here) for cuts and so on - also yarrow.
After I came back, I really didn't like living "normally" and went off to Cornwall and lived in a caravan on a common for 3 years, until we all got thrown off. There was a great freedom in living so lightly - except that it seemed to annoy so many people!

Lyn x

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Wow,

I also see it now, it is really amazing how my past experiences seem to be not so 'accidental', as if some kind of preparation. Even though during recent two years I did feel as if I am being prepared/trained for something.

I can see that I am not a specialist in concealed shelters at all! And nobody here knows what bivvy bag is Biggrin And the basha looks really 'cool', though I never saw anything like this in my life.

But I do remember how I built low 'houses'/shelters from stones, branches and leaves when I was a kid, playing for hours alone in the bushes, so one can always improvise something I guess even without special equipment with some imagination and resourcefulness.

There are these 'hunters structures' you can see in the woods many times, so smth like that can also serve the purpose and you can see through the holes between the branches.

At this point I wonder, what did I learn Krav Maga and kickboxing for? Biggrin Kiaaaa!! hhhhh

Smile

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Hi Yulia,

Thank you for sharing your experience here. Incredible. I feel the deepest respect.

With Love
Trinity

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That's awesome news Lei.

We look forward to seeing you very soon then :innocent:

xxx

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There are loads of wild foods out there that we can eat. They tend to be very high in nutritional value, so we'd need to eat much less bulk than we might think.

I created a short overview here somehwere a few years ago, with the view to integrating them into our regular food - but also to familiarise ourselves with them incase of necessity! In abundant times we would have the luxury of adding them into our diet. In survival times we would be thankful to eat them any ol' how! Foraging can be so fun and rewarding, yet when ever I do it I feel the deepest respect for what Mother Earth is offering me aware that there may well come a time when I haven't got the luxury of choice.

Here are a few...

Wild garlic (also known as ramsons) are an excellent alternative to cultivated garlic and onions. You can use the leaves in abundance throughout the spring in salads or cooked dishes. After the flowers start coming out you can eat these instead (for an even stronger flavour). If you have your own patch, it is also possible to harvest the bulbs during the dormant part of the year.

Nettles (stinging and dead varieties) can be used in many dishes such a soups, stews, stir-fry or simply steamed (briefly stir fried with mushrooms and tamari goes down a real treat).

Fat hen can be found all over the place (especially near human settlements :-)) and well known for high levels of iron and nutrients. Excellent steamed or served as part of a salad.

Chickweed is a real gem, great for both cooking or raw dishes available all year round (pops up all over the place too). It tastes mild and if you find a good patch it can be used to completely replace lettuce leaves in a salad.

Clover leaves can be a useful addition to a salad as can hawthorn leaves (when tender in spring)

Dandelion leaves work as part of a salad if you use young leaves (unless you prefer strong bitter taste of course, in which case go for it!). They can be somewhat off putting if too strong. You can also roast the roots ( with added herbs/ tamari can be delicious).

Hawthorn Leaves

Plantain

Cleevers

Sorrel

Beech nut/hazelnut/sweet chestnut

Some of the most commonly known edible flowers are evening primrose flowers/leaves, wild rose petals, common mallow, red clover flowers and gardenia.

Roots can provide valuable bulk to any foraged cooking/baking, in which case you might find any of the following in abundance:

Burdock root (well known as gobo root in Japanese cuisine) is often found to have powerful detoxification properties as well as as being a stimulant (without the side effects of coffee). Burdock is a biennial plant and only lives for two years. The time to harvest the roots is in the first year of growth (2nd year roots are much more woody). The roots go deep into the ground (perhaps as far as 3-ft) and bring up a myriad of delightful nutrients (I'm not recommending that you dig 3ft down either ;-)).

Sliver weed roots (we have loads of this on our property, and I have heard that it provides great edible roots, although the roots are small and you need to dig up a lot to make a meal)... I'm still trying to figure this one out.

I have heard that milk thistle roots and leaves can also be quite promising.

I would heed a strong word of caution for anyone embarking on the exploration of harvesting wild foods - make sure that you know what you are eating, find a good identification book (or a friend who knows).

I'd love to learn about edible wild fungi. I have also heard that much of the seaweed around the British Isles is edible.

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Grains and (dried) legumes when combined make a whole protein and a balanced meal. You can survive on this combination very well even if nothing else is around.

The only problem - storage and carriage. It is sensitive to dampness, heat and pests and bulky to carry.

Grains and legumes can be stored for relatively long periods of time.

Grains - better be whole, brown, wild etc, since if all the rest of supply will be cut, then you will want some nutrients (vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, fats, oils, and protein) in what you have. So if you still buy 'white' grains, maybe it is a good time to switch to more rough forms.

Each grain has its own properties and nutrients, so it might be good to have various types. For example buckwheat is rich in iron. So types of grains that can be bought and stored in advance:
rice
quinoa (btw it is the only one that contains whole protein in itself, without legumes added)
spelt
buckwheat
amaranth
millet
corn or polenta

Beans - these are much faster and easier to cook and consume less water, than other types: lentils(split are even better), split peas and black-eyed peas, these don't need soaking.

Storage of grains a beans:
1. they should be dried, which is usually the case in stores
2. in a dry place (in damp environment, like in a sack on the ground it will take ~3-4 days to the grain to spoil
3. off the ground,
4. storing in sacks is risky (pests and mold), so metal cans/jars is much safer way to store for prolonged periods of time.

Note: refrigerator and underground is a bad idea due to dampness.

Carriage:
In metal cans, not sacks, protected from rain, dampness and sharp temperature changes (as dew can result with too abrupt temperature change, as the water in the air condenses). Spreading water and moist absorbents (SAP) within the can and then placing a sack in it can be considered (so if you didn't throw away all those small packets with SAP coming with various products, time to find out why you didn't throw them away Smile ).

For less bulkiness and making the preparation faster and easier, powdering can be the way to do that. Then you can use it as a flour too.

Other uses of grains and beans: any whole dried grain and legume (like rice and beans) can be used as a water-absorbent in salt.

Why you will want to store salt:
Food - minerals source, so it is better to have sea or Himalaya salts (then you'll have various minerals and iodine and not only NaCl)

Usual NaCl salt - as a universal remedy, disinfectant, antifungist :), cleaning substance and body care (like brushing teeth).

Salt can be spread where you want to keep your things safe from fungi or mold spread (like the bottom of toothbrushes glass), or in some damp corners of your house, spread over risky areas, like where the roof or walls become damp, in shoes, socks, or apply salty water directly on feet and air dry (like if you won't have an opportunity to change socks or smth...

So you can use rice for example. It can be placed in small cloth sack and then within the jar. Or if you use the salt cellar (with small holes), then you can just spread rice directly in the salt.

Rice and beans can be also added in this way to garlic powder (which is also good to have on hand during tough times).

... to be continued...

(Just as grains can protect salt, salt can protect grain, from mold, so mixing can be considered if there is a serious mold threat, like relatively high air-humidity)

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My bivvy is on its way and I'm just about to order my basha. It's still difficult to believe I'm actually doing this.

The realisation dawns that about 99% of my remaining possessions may well become totally useless, especially if I get thrown out of my home, and that I need a whole new range of skills.

I was totally humbled to read about Yulia's experiences in Russia and the humour she brings to remembering what must have been a horrific period in her life.

I was looking at instructions online about how to put up the basha and a couple of different knots were suggested - well, there's me immediately flummoxed. I haven't put up a tent in 40 years and the only knot I remember is a granny knot. Chris - I could do with a survival course!

I should have watched Ray Mears before I got rid of the telly. Help!

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Just found a local "Basic Skills in Bushcraft" course in September. Got to start somewhere x

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Veronica... you made me laugh Biggrin

I think it is a great example of the power of humor which can make even the most tough situations to an adventure or just an experience. Losing the ability to laugh at myself would be the most sad thing I can think of, but even if it happens... I'll find the humor in it Smile

So maybe adding a sack of humor to the survival kit can be another nice tip Wink

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Hi Guys,

I tried to find a video on youtube demonstrating how to erect a basha. But unfortunately the ones I found weren't nearly as effective, fast to put up nor as simple as the technique I use (as taught by the Royal Marines).

The link below is the closest I found. I use small extendable poles just like this instructor. However he uses cord and cleats to fix the basha in place which is really long winded and inflexible. Instead I use 'bungees' - elastic ropes - which you simply hook in the corners of the cover and out to your pegs. I can put up such a shelter in about 1 minute. Although that does depend on the environment - sometimes you may want to experiment and make something more weather proof and complex.

What's also important is to say that you sleep in your bivi bag under the basha, because rain will at times blow in under the sides in a heavy storm - but if built correctly, that would only be a minimum.

You also need a thin blow up roll mat to lie on. They're the kind that are self inflating, compact down very small and are very light to carry. This is the kind of thing I'm referring to...
http://www.campingworld.co.uk/Models.aspx?ModelID=7058&PartnerID=1&utm_s...

And that basha video is here below. Just a reminder, for those who wish to stay involved with Openhand through to the facilitators program, I am feeling to include skills, knowledge and tips like this including foraging which is close to Trinity's heart. So stay tuned!

Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6MNEEBbjI

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Hi Chris,

There are many types varying from 10-200 pounds on this page:
http://bivibag.org.uk/

Could you please recommend which one of these will do?

Thanks,
Yulia

Btw, if there is no blow up roll mat (or if it got hole and you can't fill it with air), then just water resistant material can do, and then leaves, ground, sand, etc can be put under. I also sleep on the floor on the thin blanket a lot these days for some 'mysterious' reason, maybe getting used to the feeling? Biggrin

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I wouldn't personally recommend any on the page you showed me.

The best bivi bag to buy depends on how much you feel you'll be using it. So if you think you'll be using it just occasionally or you need one for emergency situations, then I'd recommend a basic British Army issue one. It is a goretex bag with a pull string at the top. So you slide right down inside the bag and draw the top up. You can get them on ebay very cheaply from anywhere between £25 - £35 (which is a real gift in terms of value). Here's an example...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Army-Surplus-style-Bivi-Bag-MUST-SEE-/...
Here's another...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Issue-British-Army-Gore-Tex-Bivi-Bivvy...

I used to use one of those and Trinity and myself camped on top of Mount Sinai in torrential rain using them and were bone dry, warm and snug.

However I tend to do a lot of wild camping - it's something I love. One of the drawbacks with the simple version is that you can't see out and it can feel a little claustrophobic at times if you're right down inside. Plus because you can't seal the top perfectly, if you're in a humid environment where there are mosquitos or midges, then they can get inside - that happened to me in the Med once so I resolved to buy a hooped bivi bag with a mosquito net built in.

I bought the best on the market (not the most expensive by the way). It's the dutch army issue one and is used by British Special Forces who tend to buy their own. I paid £120 for mine. This is what it looks like...

Here is one through a surplus store. They're selling a range, although be careful because some are without the curved-snap-together-pole which keeps the bivi open at the head end. The ones with the pole cost £99...

http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/shop/camping-equipment/outdoor-tents/g...

Hope this helps!

Chris

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Wow, I am glad I asked...

Thank you very much Smile

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I bet you didn't think of these Wink

It can be great to look at what you are throwing away (torn or ruined clothes, linens, towels, tablecloth, blankets, etc). You can use them for

1. Mops.

When there are not going to be rigging for cleaning around, you will want to have some of those 'rags' you wanted to throw away at hand.

Back then in Ukraine we washed everything with old clothes, towels, etc. There was no microfiber Smile

2. Pads for women:

I also saw that there are washable pads on the internet, something called Lunapads http://lunapads.com/, but I never saw any here.

But just in case you will be stuck with nothing like that... You can just store some cloth and use it if you need it.

So - look for soft, thick, well-absorbing cloth, like flannel, fleece, etc

In times of need you will appreciate you stored some, they are meant to be used, then washed, dried and kept for the next time.

So 'calculate' how many in average you need per cycle and store more, maybe doubled quantity more just in case plus testing the cloth-pads in advance can be good.

You don't have to store the clothes as they are, you can cut and fold them according to the uses.

In Ukraine women also used cottonwool and something like cheesecloth, made of cotton, very soft, folded into a thick pad.

You can also saw something like washable diapers (see below).

3. Diapers:

Well, you know, you can't plan something like this, but just in case...

It's good to have some washable diapers. Maybe somebody else will need, you know.

And if you have no other choice you can use the fabric for the diapers.

Here are tips about sawing diapers. You can use them for washable pads too.

And also if you'll be in some more extreme situation, without sawing machine, then it doesn't have to be so 'sharp' and nice, you can just saw it very roughly, with rough stitches. But here you will get the idea of how it is done more or less.

http://maryeaudet.hubpages.com/hub/How_To_Make_Cloth_Diapers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe6ZaD3oxWw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh84LK19VNE

Well you can look also look for yourself for something that will feel right for you.

Btw, a box with some needles, threads and scissors in your survival kit can help (like if the buttons of your pants are gone), you have no pants Smile

Okaay...

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Hey Yulia,

An essential feminine item for me might be the mooncup. If you are out in the woods and by a river and can wash - it is really invaluable. It might be more challenging to change hygenically if you don't have access to clean water once a day though.

http://www.mooncup.co.uk/
Incredibly eco-friendly in the long term.

xxx

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In the 1970's Richard Mabey published a book called 'Food for Free'. It was brimming with advice and pictures on all kinds of edible foods available in the UK from fruits, leaves, roots, funghi, seaweed and shellfish.

There is now a pocket sized edition. It is really handy for those in the UK. An essential survival backpack addition. I have one in mine.
x

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I'd just like to pick up on something Yulia said earlier in this very informative and stimulating survivability thread. It's inspired by not using industrially produced soap and other 'cleansing' products.

When I started walking the spiritual path, I knew it was my destiny to help people discover who they truly are and to step out of the matrix of conditioned, limited living.

One thing that occurred to me very early on having already helped quite a number of people, is that how challenging it can be when we start to find 'alternative' ways of living, especially as it can be quite hard to get sufficient money and resources to live the way we truly feel - especially since 'the matrix' owns all the resources (for now at least!).

It became abundantly clear to me that I had to reduce my consumption to a minimum by challenging the 'stuff' that we feel we need to exist within society.

Take for example deodorant. I'm still quite amazed by the number of people who come on our courses and workshops who wear it. For what purpose? To smell nice? The body is supposed to sweat - it naturally cools us down. I've found deodorant desenitises people by filling the space with a synthetic unnatural smell. You can literally feel the surrounding field contracting and distorting around many synthetic essences.

There's absolutely no need to use it. If we regularly wash in clean water, the body will take on it's very natural, healthy and humanly attractive aroma - one that harmonises with the field. And interestingly, if you're using deodorant to make you more appealing to a partner, then human sweat has been proven to contain Pheromones which truly are sexually attractive! Why wash them off Wink

Personally I've not used soap (except on the odd occasion) since waking up a number of years back. Instead I use my own saliva - it's perfect for digesting unwanted animal fat!

This is just one example of the things people regularly use that are just not necessary. If we can truly reduce our consumption down by questioning everything we think we need, what we tend to find is that we can live on less - a lot less!

This means we're increasingly liberated from dependency on society. Yes we still need resources and we might still continue to work in society for some years to come, but our dependency decreases to a minimum. Which in turn means that as the fabric of society breaks down, the personal sustainability and survivability that we're building up now will keep us in good stead for the future. We'll be well prepared.

So the invitation is to challenge everything that you think you need to buy because you'll probably find that you don't!

Chris Smile

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Yey!

Why wait until we don't have a choice? It is so funny that most of these tips here are actually about how we can live more naturally, more connected to nature, less dependent on the matrix and stop feeding it where we can.

We can feel out and start right now?

Even the bivvy bag and the sleeping bag Biggrin Once people have it, maybe they will feel like sleeping less at home, in the box, and go out and taste the freedom and the uplift of sleeping outside, under the trees, on the shores (well now in the summer we can do without these too), even in the park on the grass. What a joy!

About deodorants. While I don't care other people smelly, I admit I have something with it. It is sitting on my child stuff, my mom and sister were picking up on me and telling me I am all stinky Biggrin And ~4 years ago I moved to natural deodorants, which don't block the perspiration. And then at the shop I was working at back then I was told that there is something called deodorant, etc etc... Okaaay

I don't want to push myself, and this is important for me that while challenging myself I don't impose the changes, force them and let them happen naturally. So I do use natural, essential oils based organic deodorant.

And here some important info for those who still find it too challenging to stop using deodorants:

Antiperspirants are highly not recommended, because

1) They interfere with the natural cooling mechanisms, and many people begin to develop hyper-sweaty face, hands or feet, and this is because the body is looking how to compensate the inability to balance itself through the armpits;

2) Sweating is one of the detoxifying mechanisms of the body. This is why we can 'smell our diet' on ourselves. So where do these toxins go when the drainage is blocked? Well, part of them are going back to the blood system and recirculate again, and part of it gets diffused around the armpit-breast area actually. There were several studies about how antiperspirant deodorants lead to constant inflammatory process around the armpits and tumors in the armpits and breast area (especially with women).

3)They interfere with one of the ways to communicate - through smell.

So here are tips of you anyway want to use something:
it can be as simple as using some almond or coconut oil with a few drops of lavender, rosemary or jasmine essential oils (or you can prepare a mixture in advance). I also use essential drops directly on the clothes (in the armpits area).

Btw, it is also good as an insects repellent Smile

This kind of deodorant won't interfere with perspiration and natural smell of the body, it will only add some flowery touch to it. So the 3 bullets become irrelevant.

Smile

This isnt about survival to me personally as much as its about reclaiming ourselves..... I have been experiencing this for a while now, I will go into a grocery store, go up and down every isle slowly, holding pause to FEEL, and I walk out of the store with hardly anything. I cant turn on a TV. there just are very few distractions left for me at all. If anything Im distracted but opening ever more to a building energy FEELING ... Im seeing Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING as a distraction connection to the false life... I have really been slowly rallying at different levels... Preparing myself in a way for a new life,(whatever that is) Im an exercise/muscle guy, I have went to very slow reps,deep thorough full movements, no more pushing hard and fast... I have slowed from the FEEL to remove myself from the physicalness of it, I have switched to natural exercise movements without weights... anyway Im trying to say that I FEEL Chris's subtle nudges DEEPLY. I have never really ever adopted the false matrix life, Ive just been shifted from it slightly, but I have been completely filled with this slow subtle build up and I am connecting with it at some deep levels within my own expansion. All questions are being answered for me/clearing themselves out, many from the past and more through a FEEL arising from the moment... And lastly I totally see myself out in nature either growing my own/self sustaining or sharing that with others. Its always how I played as a child and what Ive always FELT as a general right direction of beingness... I have already given up so much of the false life that I never had anyway, and the rest is inviting me ever more, every second of every day, without asking any questions all the expansion/answers/awareness feeling seem to be flowing to me...
-Bill

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Body Shop do a range of vegetable glycerine soaps for your important little places.

I've been looking for a simple lightweight metal grill or short tripod (don't know what to call it) to put over my fire (which has lit first time of course) upon which to put my billy can/saucepan.

The only ones I can find online are those huge tripods below which you hang a kettle or something. Alternatively there are hobo stoves with a metal firebox which seems a bit unnecessary. Otherise, people seem to make their own - not something I could do with my present skills. Any suggestions please?

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Thinking a bit outside the box, I have discovered lightweight alloy adjustable folding tripod legs. They are apparently stable and strong, the legs fold for easy transportation and also adjust for uneven ground. They are suitable for camping and were originally intended for use with paella burners.

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I would reconsider buying from the Bodyshop. Their ethics are not great. They've turfed native people off lands, stripping the land to grow palm oil and the likes. The body shop is now owned by L'Oréal/Nestlé who have a very unethical track record.

I know it is hard to keep track! You can usually find great alternative things from ethical companies in independent healthfood stores.

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... is cool. They have both liquid and solid soaps.

Btw liquid castile soap can be mixed with oil (olive/almond/coconut/castor) and water or herbal tea in proportions of 1:2:1/4 - castile liquid soap:water/tea:oil. You can also play with the proportions to find your own recipe that works for you.

And instead of hair conditioner - 1 table spoons of apple cider vinegar in a cup (~220 ml) cold water, just pour it on your head and don't wash away.

Also water plays a big role. Hard water demands more soap/shampoo to work and creates a film with non-SLS soaps (clogging the pipes, the pores, drying the skin and hair). Here in Israel the water is very hard, so it is a big challenge to find something that works ok.

My grandma in Ukraine was colecting rainwater and washing her hair with it. Another good reason to collect the rainwater. Some people boil and then cool the water, it makes it softer.

But for me it is enough just to boil and cool that cup for the final hair rinse.

In general, hair is probably one of the most problematic areas to deal with when survivng: washing long hair is a problem, then hair-loss due to stress, malnutrition or inability to wash the sculp, and there is a well-known problem - lice. So cutting the hair as short as possible or shaving a head can be a great way to minimize these problems in extreme conditions. Then of course, it will be colder, as the body looses heat through the top of teh head - so wear a hat or wrap your head with some cloth.-

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Now, another big advantage of Bronner's soap is that it is ok if there are traces of it left on the skin.

So what can be done with this kind of soaps is a "4 cups of water wash" Biggrin It can be useful to know this option in case there will be a water problem. I've tested it and it works just fine:

Place 4 cups of water (or some ammount that works for you) with some soap in it (the water should be really slightly soapy) in a pot or bowl.

And then - just wet a soft cloth or a sponge in the water, squeeze just a tiny bit and wash some area, start from the upper part of the body. Wash the cloth in the soapy water and go again, from up down. Most dirty areas, like feet are the last to wash. now if you stand in a tub or something that can trap the water flowing down from the body,then you will stand in a puddle which already 'washes' the feet, you can wash your feet then in it better than with just a cloth.

If these 4 cups include a face wash, then you can add the soap after washing your face, first wash your face bending over the pot and then the rest of the body.

The same will work with the 'plants' water and 'herbal teas' water if there's no soap.

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Now I wanted to make an important note: because I could confuse somebody when I said ~"the above-mentioned plants are good for brushing teeth". I meant the desinfecting and cleaning plants and substances, not the soapy plants :S

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Dr Bronner liquid soap can be used for pretty much everything - washing, shampoo, light cleaner, toothpaste, laundry (to name a few). The ingredients are brilliant and the ethics are top class.

My favourite is peppermint.

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Chris....my mind just boggled, when I read how you use saliva for cleaning. I mean, do you have a miraculously long tongue that can just curl out like a chameleon at bath time??? Hehehe. Then logic clicked in, and I pictured my mother spitting on tissue to wipe the grime of my face before visiting a posh Auntie. I guess you must spit onto a cloth or similar!

Trinity...where can I get Dr Bronner's soap from?

Thanks, Wendy.

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:lol:

I spit into my hands.
It works a treat and it's great for the body too.
It has a tremendously positive effect on your field - nothing foreign in it. It greatly enhances ones sensitivity to the flow of the moment (just as in the Peaceful Warrior clip on the other thread - "there's never nothing going on" - and the heightened awareness that comes with it).

I was guided by spirit to try it one day. Yes it felt strange, but then I started to feel more of a connection with mother nature and my natural surroundings. It felt very 'early human' - very authentic, very real.

Best of all, it costs zilch!

Chris

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I've decided to go the bungee route with my basha. I can find 12", 18" or 30" sizes. Which should I get please? Also, do you need a particular type of tent peg for use with bungees or will any one do? Thanks!

Before Body Shop went public I worked closely with Anita on product development. The products were usuable then and I can't detect any change in the formulation of the vegetable glycerine soaps. However, you are quite right, Trinity, that we can't support the new regime.

Trinity's picture

Hi Wendy,

You can usually purchase Dr Bronners soap in any good independent health food store (atleast in the UK and USA - not sure where you are from). I find that you need very little of it - so a small bottle will last me for ages if all I am using it for is washing myself.

Trinity

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Let's remember...

It wasn't raining when Noah built the arc.

On that note:

Chris did an excellent (and entertaining) demonstration of his survival backpack and contents last night here with the facilitator group. Thank you for your tireless giving and commitement Chris.
x

Trinity's picture

An EXCELLENT, efficient outdoor cooking solution!
Free to make.
OK - who's going to give it a go first? What do you think David?

David's picture

Thats Awesome, beats a bbq any day.

I'm on the case with that one.

Smile

someone's picture

Genius in its simplicity!
It would be so fun to build it and cook in it everybody together, ha? Smile

I say - potatoes!!! Biggrin

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Cutting or shaving hair (for those with long hair) can make things easier. Especially that hair-loss is very common during challenging times. Another thing that can happen - lice 'and stuff' :S

I just lost a whole lock of hair, it made me contemplate how it would feel to be bald. Not that easy Wink I found I am actually attached to how I look Biggrin

So... I'm getting prepared with this one! Look BAD!!! Biggrin
Bald, dirty, with rags and all that. Can be fun if go past conditioning Wink