Hi Ramana B,

Thanks for sharing. I don't think either truth are exclusionary.

Having worked with groups of awakening/evolving people around the world in 19 countries for 22 years, I observe that people come to presence at different rates - yes, occasionally, someone suddenly lets go, and drops very deep. But most often, the case is that people open into deep presence, and then after a while, pop out again.

The reason this 'popping out' happens, is because the soul engages them in life once more - they're not sitting in an ashram being looked after by devotees, for example.

And so they engage the fullness of life, and the flowing of soul from the Source within, will likely cause attachment once more. Maybe in relationships, or the need to provide for themselves and their families in a job (which is the case for most people).

Many previous 'gurus', to my mind, slipped into the so-called 'non-dual' state. But actually, with that, I perceive a subtle state of denial of the soul, where they're not really flowing with the fullness of life - the 'asham state', we can call it. Personally, I don't see this as true Enlightenment. They've most often gone into a 4D bubble state - disconnected from the reality of life.

So what most often happens where people are engaged in regular life too, is that they pop in and pop out, until ultimately, the fully 'switched on' state of presence remains. But crucially, they're able to fully live it too - in all walks of life and all experiences. To my mind, this, is actually the fully enlightened state.

For future reference, my invitation to you is for you to share your own experience, rather than the reported experiences of others - for then we're only really speculating on truth, and something which is their truth, rather than actualising it for ourselves.

Namaste
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